Israel

[BurnEmDown]

3rd UHV: Conquer the middle east
Just kidding.

I think the AI will play fine with something like +50% espionage and half espionage costs, I mean it calculates what is better for him and stuff, and if in the equation it will consider the bonuses to espionage then it will know that he should use it.
But the late starting date is quite a large reason to not add this civ.
Maybe we could add an ancient Israel civ? It's UHVs could be:

1: Build the Temple of Solomon by 1000 B.C. or something close to that.
2: Survive to 350 B.C. or something like that.
3: Survive until the rennaisance era (so when Israel researches say SM it wins if the first UHV is completed)

UP could be a bonus to yields north and south of Jerusalem and in Jerusalem.
UU could be a better warrior\archer\axeman\spearman\chariot.
UB could be the Egyptian monument with only 1 priest slot and another small bonus.
And it couldn't build Settlers and must raze\give away immedietly any cities it captures.

Leader would be David or Solomon I guess. And starting date 3000 B.C. ofc.
Any ideas?

 

[Rod]

You know it this case Persia should respawn as Iran and get a 3rd UHV : Eradicate Israel ...

No, but seriously, there is no place for Israel in the Middle East and frankly Israel is really not a good topic for a game. It is too much part of the current global conflicts. It would should just rouse too much discussion, the same like Poland.

 

[dragodon64]

I don't see how discussion is a bad thing, especially on a forum... the purpose of free speech is lost if discussions have to be tempered in a certain direction or left out entirely.

Also, the issues of the day won't be solved by not talking about them, so I don't know where you're going with that.

 

[BurnEmDown]

I, for one, would really enjoy having ancient Israel in the game, however I realize the difficulties with adding a brand new civ (one that isn't in BTS and was just left out).
So I think for now the best we can do for adding new civs is to discuss about them, and when we'll find a certain agreement about them we could go one step further.

 

[dragodon64]

with above poster

 

[Hitti-Litti]

I, for one, would really enjoy having ancient Israel in the game, however I realize the difficulties with adding a brand new civ (one that isn't in BTS and was just left out).
So I think for now the best we can do for adding new civs is to discuss about them, and when we'll find a certain agreement about them we could go one step further.

Rhye has said numerous times that no new civs will be added, thus discussing about including new civs is meaningless.

 

[onedreamer]

Correction: Israel is not destabilizing the world. Radical Muslim extremists are choosing to destabilize the world through their intolerance.

Israel is the only non muslim country in the area and does everything but keeping a low profile or aiming for peace. There is no difference in their extremism with the muslims, the only difference I see is that they are the alien element in the area, hence the destabilizing one.

 

[dragodon64]

I can see how Israel might be viewed as the destabilizing one, but its "arrogance" seems to me to be more of a "we don't take any $h!t from anyone." Most of the Arab countries (with some notable exceptions) hate the country and refuse to let it live in peace; many in words, and some in action. And this is before we take into account the various terrorist groups (which feed off popular sentiment).

By the way, what does abbronzato mean in Italian?

 

[BurnEmDown]

You know what's going on in Gaza right now? It should have happened 2 years ago, back when Israel left the Gaza strip, and the people of Gaza sent rockets to Israeli cities near the borders. However Israel is trying it's best to stay in peace so it was delayed in 2 years. Israel only launched the operation because the people of Gaza developed rockets that can reach farther (and can hit more cities).
"Israel [...] does everything but keeping a low profile or aiming for peace." is quite the opposite of what Israel is.

 

[onedreamer]

I'm not discussing of Good and Bad, I am merely saying that Israel is a destabilizing element in the middle east. You can't possibly deny this fact if you're just a little objective. And about Israel foreign politics... no comment. This isn't the right place to discuss it anyways.

 

[BurnEmDown]

I guess you are right, it's just that I have a friend living near the Gaza border and am personally insulted when people on the internet say Israel isn't trying for peace.
Regarding the Israel in RFC topic, I think we should drop it and discuss civs which might make sense in adding to the game.
Recently I've been thinking how could the Hunnic civilization be added to RFC. They're UU should obviously replace HA and UB could be stable (or barracks) with +50% production of mounted units maybe? UP same as Mongolia, spawn date 100 AD, UHVs: Conquer the Italian peninsula by XXXX, Capture 3 capital cities by XXXX, and I'm not sure about the 3rd UHV. Note that they should be the only civ who's capital city can be taken from them when another civ spawns (e.g, if their capital (and only) city is in Berlin, then when Germany spawns they'll die).

 

[Deego3]

The problem with that (and with the celts) is that they're inside another civs spawn area. Besides Rome has enough problems already with the barbs.

 

[Positronic]

2: Survive to 350 B.C. or something like that.
3: Survive until the rennaisance era (so when Israel researches say SM it wins if the first UHV is completed)

As others have pointed out, "surviving" until a date is completely pointless, because you lose the game if you don't survive...

 

[BurnEmDown]

Well for OCC it's as hard as a UHV
Yes the Huns are in a different civ's spawn area, but we could think of UHVs that they'll have to complete before the other civs spawn (like Greece who can complete the UHVs before the Turks arrive and Babylon + Egypt who can complete the UHVs before the Arabs spawn)

 

[dragodon64]

The Huns limitations seem strange: only one city, and the city has to be Berlin? Berlin either didn't exist or was some small village by another name back then.

 

[BurnEmDown]

You don't understand, OCC is regarding Israel. And I gave Berlin as an example of what will happen if that's the Hun's capital when Germany spawns (that's because I'm not really sure where were they first "spotted" and where did they first settle, if they even did).

 

[onedreamer]

The Huns were asian not germanic.

 

[BurnEmDown]

I know, it's just that the first capital city that came up to my mind was Berlin.

 

[Dumanios]

You could,if you had some skill with modding and adding civs,add Israel or Poland or any other civ you into the game.

 

[Dumanios]

Double Post,sorry.