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Leowind · May 31, 2001

...but I'm going to have to withdraw from GOTM competition. <IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/frown.gif" border=0> It's mid-1800s, The Vikings are shaping up to be a serious rival, I'm miles away from SpaceShip techs, and I have an incredibly busy week in front of me, so no chance to even play, let alone finish the game, until after this weekend, so even with an extension due to Matrix being gone, I won't finish.
My GOTM time has definitely been worthwhile, though. I've gone from struggling at Prince, to confident of victory at Deity <IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/smile.gif" border=0> I've also learned to play faster, so hopefully future games won't drag on for months as they used to. I'll still keep on eye on GOTM and download and play any that look interesting, just to compare at a later date, but I will no longer be submitting games; my life just doesn't allow me the luxury of completing a game within a month. Best of luck to all of you who will continue GOTMing <IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/yeah.gif" border=0>

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stormerne · May 31, 2001

Glad it was all worthwhile Leowind! Your presence here has always been a plus for the rest of us. We'll be the poorer for the lack of it. Do continue to contribute to the other forums. Meanwhile I know you'll make the best of real life!

Is there anyone else out there in this situation? It's possible to have two separate competitions at different speeds. For example, as well as GOTM, have a GOTQ (Game of the Quarter) with a three month finish - very relaxed! Would that be attractive to you Leowind?

BigWheel · May 30, 2001

GOTQ sounds good to me. I've managed to complete each GOTM so far, but always just under the wire and always at the expense of something else that I should really be doing instead.

GOTQ would also solve the looming problem of summertime, when the living is easy, etc. My time for civ gaming should drop to zero for a month or two, meaning my accumulated GOTM score will go down the toilet.

On the other hand, this site isn't called the CIVILIZATION CASUAL PLAYERS CENTER is it? So maybe us players who insist on having a real life should just take our lumps and admit they we aren't true fanatics.

CornMaster · May 30, 2001

Originally posted by Leowind:
...but I'm going to have to withdraw from GOTM competition. <IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/frown.gif" border=0> It's mid-1800s, The Vikings are shaping up to be a serious rival, I'm miles away from SpaceShip techs, and I have an incredibly busy week in front of me, so no chance to even play, let alone finish the game, until after this weekend, so even with an extension due to Matrix being gone, I won't finish.
My GOTM time has definitely been worthwhile, though. I've gone from struggling at Prince, to confident of victory at Deity <IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/smile.gif" border=0> I've also learned to play faster, so hopefully future games won't drag on for months as they used to. I'll still keep on eye on GOTM and download and play any that look interesting, just to compare at a later date, but I will no longer be submitting games; my life just doesn't allow me the luxury of completing a game within a month. Best of luck to all of you who will continue GOTMing <IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/yeah.gif" border=0>

If you retire and send the games to Matrix......he will score then as a retire. I'm only in the 1300's......I plan to do the same.

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Ecco · May 30, 2001

It was sure worthwhile for me, and even though i succeded in finishing, a week ago i thought i wouldn't.
GOTQ sounds like a really cool idea, but i would then ask for the point scoring system to be a little different.

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Smash · May 30, 2001

Maybe you should play differently when time is short.A small civilized perfectionist approach or even OCC goes much quicker.

1>8 cities or so concentrating on trade and science.No big army marching all over the map and no 50+ cities to manage.OCC or OCC with a few 'helper cities".

An OCC games takes 3-6 hours total to complete.

Its pretty crappy when the "real world" interferes with leisure time.I feel your pain.

Matrix · May 30, 2001

I'm in for a GOTQ! Except for the fact that I don't like the name.

But I'm having the same troubles myself. I couldn't finish last GOTM and I can't this time too.

If we do this - we change the length of a Game of the 'Month' - when will be the first time? If we split the year up in 4 pieces, you'll have a game for Jan-Mar, Apr-Jun, Jul-Sep and Oct-Dec. So I'd say the next GOTM is still only for June, but form then we change it to a three months long game.

And then there is this trouble with the medals, because the new medals will be three times as important as these old ones. The same for the global ranking. However, with the Global Ranking I can play a bit and make these old results have a 1/3 of the impact as the GOTQ will have, if you know what I mean by that.

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By the way, I was also thinking: what will happen when Civ3 comes out? We'll have two GOTM/GOTQ competitions?

Originally posted by CornMaster:
If you retire and send the games to Matrix......he will score then as a retire. I'm only in the 1300's......I plan to do the same.

No. I've done that, but then I got tons of justly critics. So that's not possible. You need to finish in a valid way, which is: spaceship (you or AI), conquest, retire in 2020 AD, or get killed.

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infoman · May 31, 2001

I like the idea of a GOTQ. It would maybe give me a chance to play one. Between work, family, computer not allowing me to play civ II, etc. it is hard for me to even contemplate even playing a GOTM.

Leowind · Jun 1, 2001

GOTQ idea sounds great to me!! (call it whatever you want) I argued for something like that when the whole GOTM idea was first being discussed, but to no avail. I know it will be extra work for someone (Matrix?) to run two seperate contests, but I could see GOTM and GOTQ happening at the same time. Many players seem able to finish in one month and I wouldn't want to penalize them just because some of us take longer. That way Matrix wouldn't have to figure out how to "convert" the current standings.

Thanks Stormerne for your kind words and excellent idea

Matrix · May 31, 2001

O. Ehh, I think I didn't read well, because I thought you ment we change the GOTM to a GOTQ. But nevertheless, it keeps being a good idea. <IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/wink.gif" border=0> Although indeed this will take me some more time to make the results. <IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/hmph.gif" border=0>

But come to think of it - before Stormerne came with the idea of GOTQ, I was thinking about the fact that many people don't have the time to finish a game every month and that the Global Ranking list will be more determined by the number of games you've played rather than how good you did it and I was thinking that I might have been a good idea to use only the best GOTM out of the last (e.g.) three GOTM's for calculation of the Global Ranking.

Now that there will come a GOTQ this idea becomes obsolete. Now a new problem arises to me: I don't want two separate GOTX's. Then there will be people who are good in one list and people who will be in the other, and then everybody will wonder which of them is best. That won't do. <IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/shakehead_ron.gif" border=0>

But now I came to this idea: basically there will only be a GOTQ, but in addition you can also play two other GOTM's within the quarter of the year. If you play these GOTM's (or just one of them), the best game will be picked for calculation of the Global Ranking. So the Global Ranking will be updated only four times a year. Medals is a different matter - I haven't thought of that yet. <IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/cwm16.gif" border=0>

Review of my idea:
<table border="2" width="300"><tr><td width="25%" align="center">Month</td><td width="25%" align="center">GOTQ</td><td width="25%" align="center">GOTM</td><td width="25%" align="center">Score for GR</td></tr><tr><td width="25%" align="center">Jan</td><td width="25%" rowspan="3" align="center">1</td><td width="25%" bgcolor="#C0C0C0" align="center"> </td><td width="25%" align="center" rowspan="3">Best of
1, 2, 3</td></tr><tr><td width="25%" align="center">Feb</td><td width="25%" align="center">2</td></tr><tr><td width="25%" align="center">Mar</td><td width="25%" align="center">3</td></tr><tr><td width="25%" align="center">Apr</td><td width="25%" rowspan="3" align="center">4</td><td width="25%" bgcolor="#C0C0C0" align="center"> </td><td width="25%" align="center" rowspan="3">Best of
4, 5, 6</td></tr><tr><td width="25%" align="center">May</td><td width="25%" align="center">5</td></tr><tr><td width="25%" align="center">Jun</td><td width="25%" align="center">6</td></tr><tr><td width="25%" align="center">Jul</td><td width="25%" rowspan="3" align="center">7</td><td width="25%" bgcolor="#C0C0C0" align="center"> </td><td width="25%" align="center" rowspan="3">Best of
7, 8, 9</td></tr><tr><td width="25%" align="center">Aug</td><td width="25%" align="center">8</td></tr><tr><td width="25%" align="center">Sep</td><td width="25%" align="center">9</td></tr><tr><td width="25%" align="center">Oct</td><td width="25%" rowspan="3" align="center">10</td><td width="25%" bgcolor="#C0C0C0" align="center"> </td><td width="25%" align="center" rowspan="3">Best of
10, 11, 12</td></tr><tr><td width="25%" align="center">Nov</td><td width="25%" align="center">11</td></tr><tr><td width="25%" align="center">Dec</td><td width="25%" align="center">12</td></tr></table>

Two disadvantages:
1. It's complicated.
2. How the hell I am going to compare and decide which of the three games within a quarter is the best?

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Matrix · May 31, 2001

But perhaps we should just keep it as it is now with only a GOTM and I'll only change the rules for the Global Ranking, because that just has to change.

Or we can make every GOTM take 2 months, so that there will be two GOTM's at the same time. Or we'll just have 6 GOTM's per year...

Please, I wanna see opinions and ideas!

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Circee · May 31, 2001

Originally posted by Smash:
Maybe you should play differently when time is short.A small civilized perfectionist approach or even OCC goes much quicker.

1>8 cities or so concentrating on trade and science.No big army marching all over the map and no 50+ cities to manage.

Its pretty crappy when the "real world" interferes with leisure time.I feel your pain.

Wow!!!
exactly my playing style!!!

goodbye_mr_bond · Jun 1, 2001

How about... We keep the GOTM pretty much like it is, BUT now 3 games are 'released' simultaneously every quarter instead of one each month (i.e. July, August and September GOTMs are all released together on July 1st). Monthly results will still come in at the end of each respective month to satisfy the more rabid players like myself, and the players who want to take their time can just play one out of three. In this case, they disregard July and August, and just take three months to play the September game starting in the beginning of July.

For the global ranking, as Matrix suggests, only the best of three in the quarter will be included, thus allowing everyone to be ranked together.

The only disadvantage I can see to this is that the 3-month players will have less room to screw up, as they won't have the best of three to choose from (though this can maybe be minimized by starting the 3 games simultaneously and keeping the one that looks the best after a few beginnng turns). Anyway, at least this way everyone can play the same games at roughly the same times and there aren't 2 different GOTx competitions going on.

And as for Civ 3, I imagine we could run parallel GOTM competitions for a while and then eventually let the Civ 2 GOTM die off...

Matrix · Jun 1, 2001

Originally posted by Circee:
Wow!!!
exactly my playing style!!!

In that case I regret to inform you that you'll never get a high score. <IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/shakehead_ron.gif" border=0> With only a few cities you'll also only get a few points...

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Goodbye_mr_bond,

I think your suggestion is the best (so far)! Not too complicated, but useful for every GOTM player. <IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/goodwork.gif" border=0>

I'm in for it! Any complaints?

B.t.w.: I will probably not look in this forum again until next thursday, because I'm gone. <IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/frown.gif" border=0>

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CornMaster · Jun 1, 2001

Originally posted by goodbye_mr_bond:
How about... We keep the GOTM pretty much like it is, BUT now 3 games are 'released' simultaneously every quarter instead of one each month (i.e. July, August and September GOTMs are all released together on July 1st). Monthly results will still come in at the end of each respective month to satisfy the more rabid players like myself, and the players who want to take their time can just play one out of three. In this case, they disregard July and August, and just take three months to play the September game starting in the beginning of July.

You know what will happen....we will play July and not finish. Then start on Augusts and not finish. Then do Sept and not finish!! You can't win.

How about redo the whole thing and have GOT2M's
Have a new main game every 2 months. This will mean 6 a year... For the slower players this should be enough time to finish. For the speedsters you could have a second game which would boost the score.

For Example:
January Game 1 = 75%
Febuary Game 1 = 25%
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GOT2M total = 100%

Since Janaury is worth more then the slower players will still get their score counted.....then the faster players can play another game which will keep them occupied....but won't affect the score too much, but it will give them the advantage.

I think this is the best option. Of course you can alter the %'ages. Like 80%/20% or 60%/40% But I think 75%/25% is the best!!!

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Leowind · Jun 2, 2001

Each Game takes two months. 6 games per year. Speedsters who finish in a month or less will then have free time to play their own games, join a succession game, visit their girlfriend, whatever. I don't like the idea of a second game adding anything to the score. Then we are rewarding people because their life outside of Civ is less complicated, rather than rewarding them for being better players. This is supposed to be a casual competition primarily for the betterment of all the players. Lets not get too complicated.

two-month long games for everybody, or keep one-month games and add a completely seperate competition for longer games, though I prefer two-month games for everybody.

P.S. saw the newsflash about the new GOTM, and my fingers were itching to start it..Must maintain control...must finish current game...discipline..discipline...

Leowind · Jun 6, 2001

This topic seems to have gone dead, I assume because Matrix is gone for the moment. I just wanted to add that while I would love a GOTQ or some such feature with a longer playing time, if there's not enough support or it proves too complicated to implement, just keep with the current GOTM and I'll play what ones I can. I am totally cool with that.

willemvanoranje · Jun 10, 2001

I know most of you haven't got enough time to play the game monthly (I do), and I like the idea og GOTQ, but I like GotM better. I say we keep doing GotM.

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Matrix · Jun 11, 2001

Originally posted by CornMaster:
You know what will happen....we will play July and not finish. Then start on Augusts and not finish. Then do Sept and not finish!! You can't win.

Although I find this nonsense because that's just a matter of planning for which I can't help you, it might be better just to have six games a year, so each one takes two months, because of it's simplicity and clarity.

As you can see, my opinion changes by the hour. But best is just to continue the discussion.

There are now three options:
1: Game of the Month (no changes)
2: Game of two months
3: Game of the Quarter and GOTM
4: My complex suggestion (read above)
5: goodbye_my_bond's complex suggestion {read above)

With a Game of the Quarter, there has to be a Game of the Month in addition. That won't be nescessary for GO2M's.

My vote is: <blink>2</blink>.

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Leowind · Jun 12, 2001

My vote is # 2 or #3

Mr. Bonds idea takes away my choice of which of the three games I would want to play--some may appear more interesting than others. I'd rather just pick and choose from the GOTM and forget about my global ranking. Matrix's idea still gives a hit to my global ranking, even though not as strong a hit as the current system.

Again, #1 is fine with me, too.

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