Jet Fighters! Their True Use!

[StabbingNirvana]

well, i figured out yesterday or so, the true use of jet fighters. i remember a while ago people were trying to figure out what jet fighters attack and defense and shiz were for. i figured it out! well, in conquests, the enemies actually have units using air superiority. so if you send in a few jet fighter first, the enemy fighter is bound to attack one of them, so after you think that their air defenders are done with, send in the bombers! well, someone else mightve figured this out, but dont tell me that. or dont tell me im wrong either. i would like to be correct on this one ...

 

[dojoboy]

I think fighters should also be a allowed to carpet bomb invading forces, say scramble and bombard units that move within a tile of a city.

 

[Lumin]

Do AI's really ever use fighters? They never do for me so i always have 2 or 3 flying around just for fun to see if the get shot down by A-A guns and the such.

 

[Tassadar]

You are totaly right, it was knowed by experience player. Send jet fighter on bombing mission to engage with ennemy fighter on air supperiority.

The little thing to know is, the defender have much better odd, even ww2 fighter can easily kill a jet fighter, so you need to keeep the supply going. After a few turn, you may even have some elite jet fighter.

p.s. dont forget to repair them after they win a fight, send them into an airport, stay a full turn into it, and next turn the are full healt.

 

[Mano3]

Good idea! That's what the real Air Force does.

 

[Michael York]

Perhaps they ought to have a ZOC just like archers and such.

Think of it as being tactical air support. That way your F-15s have an additional opportunity to deliver their maverick missles to the ais' MA.

 

[Solinus]

In PTW I've seen the AI use Jet Fighters for AS missions, so it must not be Conquests-only. I specifically remember playing versus Carthage on a Huge map and they must have had 30 or so bombers and another 20 or 30 fighters. Maybe more, as it seems like I destroyed so many of them... but anyway, a few of my Stealth Bombers got hosed in the process of committing genocide on their population. I can only imagine the horror if I had been using regular bombers, where the change to intercept them would have increased by a factor of 7.

Assuming you do send in your Fighters in a 'Fighter Sweep' over their territory, just be sure you keep some for your own air superiority purposes. I had some issues with them blowing up the roads and rail lines I was using to continue my land offensive because I was too lazy to bring the F-15s up to the front.

 

[warpstorm]

Originally posted by dojoboy
I think fighters should also be a allowed to carpet bomb invading forces, say scramble and bombard units that move within a tile of a city.

Fighters don't typically do carpet bombing. I think the term you are looking for is Close Air Support.

 

[binyo66]

How about 1.07?

 

[valamas]

Thanks StabbingNirvana, great advice. It was obvious, but why did I not do it?

I would stop producing/using bombers because they kept being shot down. i will try this advice in my next game.

It is a pitty, you can't click "Air superiorority" and then click a destination such as an enemy city.

Cheers!

 

[StabbingNirvana]

the ai uses fighters for air superiority in my game. lots of the arabian cities i was using bombers on had them. maybe every 2 outve 3 cities i bombed. too bad my bombers were plenty ... now theyre but 2 cities that the koreans are taking

 

[Justinian III]

i would make my own Scenario and give Jet Fighters a defence of 8 also, so u could send them in to shoot down Enemy Fighters set on Air Supperoity. if u play standard rules, use Stealth Fighters to shoot down enemy jet Fighters, since they have the best defence over a Jet Fighter???

 

[JMK]

Originally posted by Justinian III
if u play standard rules, use Stealth Fighters to shoot down enemy jet Fighters, since they have the best defence over a Jet Fighter???

What do you mean ?
Stealth Fighters have an A: 0 and D: 0 !

 

[Justinian III]

Originally posted by JMK

What do you mean ?
Stealth Fighters have an A: 0 and D: 0 !

Get Civ Conquest buddy, since they finally fixed it, Stealth Fighter is a Defence of 6 now. witch is how I was making my Scenario's before Conquest came out. I was VERY impressed with the Changes on Conquest. I was using alot of them on my PTW Scenario's. and the Changes were Simulare. I had Stealth Bomber set on 16, Conquest is 18 witch i like better. I had range right, Radar Art, Cruise Missle, and more. Very good Civ Makers!! I always give Radar Art needs to cost rubber also. and the ONLY thing they havent figured out is, Fighters need an Equal defence to the attack. So u can go Air-Air, to shoot down enemy fighters. but thats why i put away Nintendo and ALL that CRAP!!, becuse with Computer, if I dont like something, I just change it, on anything!!

 

[redux]

I've seen the AI use jet fighters extensively, when I was bombing at about 170 bombing runs a turn, after several turns they would take out 5-6 a turn, after 20 turns they were averaging about 7-8 a turn obviously bringing reinforcements and building more.

Jet fighters *do* have a use in this capacity, because in this (I was playing as America) I would bomb the cities first with F-15's for the chance the air superioty intercept would be shot down by *my* fighter. Thus clear the way for the bombers whose runs would be executed after the fighters.

 

[redux]

I believe the attack/defense values of fighters determine the outcome of an "air superioty" battle when a fighter bombs a city and is intercepted.. the "hit points" of the fighter go down sometimes even when victorious, just like any other battle.

The stealth compenent with an aircraft simply decreases the chance of an intercept occuring.. this is my understanding. STealth fighters are really just dumbed down stealth bombers, hence jet aircraft do have real capacity, and to the original poster, this is the way I have used jet fighters for ages. they are simply a better version of the normal fighter.

 

[kokoras]

I do not understand thow why Jet Fighters don't have Leathal Land Bombardament,since they do have Leathal sea why not Land also?
Not right at all.

 

[Admiral_Tarton]

The AI used Jet Fighters all the time in CIV III for me.

 

[Blasphemous]

Originally posted by kokoras
I do not understand thow why Jet Fighters don't have Leathal Land Bombardament,since they do have Leathal sea why not Land also?
Not right at all.

I think this makes sense, since it's much easier to cripple a group of ships' ability to stay above water than to wipe out an entire force of tanks or soldiers.

 

[kokoras]

I don't think that their use in real life is only for bombarding ships.In fact they bombard every land target there is.