Bill_in_PDX
Grumpy Submariner
I am going to vent here a little bit, but ask that all involved with donsig PI please consider my point.
I would like Shaitan, eyrei, and donsig to solve their problem outside of the PI arena. Clearly this is too convoluted a situation for the PI arena given we are not even sure where the boundaries are in mod'ing and citizening, as noted in my review of the Presidential succession.
donsig: You continued to agitate the thread when clearly you knew that it was against a mod's rule. We all accept the rule of Mods to participate in civfanatics. I have to believe that were DoM the one to have censured your post there, you may well have taken a different tact after making your initial point.
Shaitan: You chose to take this forward as PI when it was an issue created by moderator action. All of this further clouded by the absence of a Chief Justice. I understand your reasons for having moved the way you did, but I think we are not in a position yet to properly proceed on that type of an issue until the entire CJ, mod, citizen issue is clarified for all. I ask you and eyrei to finish the process and solve it as a moderator action.
AlmightyJosh's complaint not withstanding, I can see how the free speech clause could be applied here. Our previous ruling dealt with turn chat threads that were much more defined in our laws. I implore you for a moment to step back and look at that again, it is far less cut and dried a point in my eyes.
eyrei: You are a mod now, please do not make arbitrary rulings on things such as holding off on Shaitans replacement, or the Presidential line of succession without posting as clearly either a mod or citizen. This places myself, or anyone in the Judiciary in a nearly impossible position.
To all three of you All three of you are the three highest respect people in my eyes in this game. I know of all the contributions you make.
It is not my desire to take a "holier than thou" attitude in this post toward you, as I haven't come close to contributing what you have, but I ask all of you now to work this out amongst yourselves for the good of the game.
If you all cannot do that, or would still prefer that I continue forward with a PI, then I will do so as is my responsibility, but I will also do so know that the nature of this will cause harm to our democracy.
Thank you for your attention to this issue.
Bill
I would like Shaitan, eyrei, and donsig to solve their problem outside of the PI arena. Clearly this is too convoluted a situation for the PI arena given we are not even sure where the boundaries are in mod'ing and citizening, as noted in my review of the Presidential succession.
donsig: You continued to agitate the thread when clearly you knew that it was against a mod's rule. We all accept the rule of Mods to participate in civfanatics. I have to believe that were DoM the one to have censured your post there, you may well have taken a different tact after making your initial point.
Shaitan: You chose to take this forward as PI when it was an issue created by moderator action. All of this further clouded by the absence of a Chief Justice. I understand your reasons for having moved the way you did, but I think we are not in a position yet to properly proceed on that type of an issue until the entire CJ, mod, citizen issue is clarified for all. I ask you and eyrei to finish the process and solve it as a moderator action.
AlmightyJosh's complaint not withstanding, I can see how the free speech clause could be applied here. Our previous ruling dealt with turn chat threads that were much more defined in our laws. I implore you for a moment to step back and look at that again, it is far less cut and dried a point in my eyes.
eyrei: You are a mod now, please do not make arbitrary rulings on things such as holding off on Shaitans replacement, or the Presidential line of succession without posting as clearly either a mod or citizen. This places myself, or anyone in the Judiciary in a nearly impossible position.
To all three of you All three of you are the three highest respect people in my eyes in this game. I know of all the contributions you make.
It is not my desire to take a "holier than thou" attitude in this post toward you, as I haven't come close to contributing what you have, but I ask all of you now to work this out amongst yourselves for the good of the game.
If you all cannot do that, or would still prefer that I continue forward with a PI, then I will do so as is my responsibility, but I will also do so know that the nature of this will cause harm to our democracy.
Thank you for your attention to this issue.
Bill