Korea Scenario - The Mongols

[TheMarshmallowBear]

Omg, how frustrating!

I began the Kkorea Scenario, I managed to beat it as Wu and Sejong.

And I'm leaving Oda as a last, (who is, btw VERY overpowered)

But the Mongols literally suck. Not only do are they not permitted to build Musketmen, they also have like 1 city, I think it's bad that they are overpowered, I finally managed to capture Seoul, and then what happens is Oda (who obviously go it first) refused to make Peace Treaty (Despite saying "Shouldn't we put down the arms and make peace"

Ugh, now what? Just so you know, THIS IS ON SETTLER!

 

[whoward69]

Take Beijing first then take Seoul

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

Thanks, I figured out a way to get the achievements via World Builder, there seems to be a lil hoop hole regarding scenarios' mods and achievements.

With the exception of New World and Polynesia, the other mods are so frustrating and boring.

 

[FeiLing]

Sejong (Korea) was fun. Did it on Deity right away, challenging but doable (quite easy actually if you survive the first 15 turns, which you do by clever unit positioning at Pyongyang) You will lose Seoul for sure, don't try to save it. Retake it later.
China is easy. However it is annoying to build many units and move them so far all the time.

Manchu/Mongols:
I did it on settler too (because I wanted to waste as little time as possible to do the achievement for winning as Manchu). Turned out I won at turn 98. Yay. Pretty close. Great Wall is an awfully annoying wonder (especially with being restricted to so weak units all game long). Probably wouldn't have made it on harder difficulties.

I believe I shouldn't have waited so long to attack. Maybe with all the initial converted barbarians I could have quickly rushed Beijing directly, as China actually starts with very small cities too, but will be a very hard opponent 50 turns into the game.

Anyone who wants to do it legally I'd advise you to finish Liberty very early, get a GE and rush Himeji Castle asap with him in your first expansion which you put towards China (for the border expansion and free castle). If you let them get it, you make it unbelievable harder to win the game (you can't win by points/time, you will need to conquer Beijing and Seoul to win).

Anyone who doesn't want to spent a lot of time and generate a lot of frustration I'd advise to take a look at my new thread where I share Saves/Savegames, that will easily grant you an achievement by simply loading the savegame and moving a single unit or just pressing next turn, here:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=454424

Have a try at losing with Korea for the achievement... doing this is really reallly really tiring. You definitely will love my Savegame for the Taekwon-DOH Achievement if you ever tried to do it on your own^^

 

[zyx]

I had the feeling that winning with the Mongols is much more easier than winning with the Japanese, as the Keshik are way better to conquer China - with the Great Wall. With the Japanese I didn't even manage to move my troops to Beijing. I conquered the city to the east of Beijing though. I can't remember the difficulty level - was it prince? It wasn't Emperor or above for sure.

You start with one city but you can build cities! To build an army I'd say you don't need more than four. There is a nice spot southwest with iron, cows and horses!

@FeiLing: how did you manage to lose with Korea? Is it necessary that Seoul and Beijing are conquered?

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

I had the feeling that winning with the Mongols is much more easier than winning with the Japanese, as the Keshik are way better to conquer China - with the Great Wall. With the Japanese I didn't even manage to move my troops to Beijing. I conquered the city to the east of Beijing though. I can't remember the difficulty level - was it prince? It wasn't Emperor or above for sure.

You start with one city but you can build cities! To build an army I'd say you don't need more than four. There is a nice spot southwest with iron, cows and horses!

@FeiLing: how did you manage to lose with Korea? Is it necessary that Seoul and Beijing are conquered?

THere's two ways to lose as Korea.
1. Not be in control of your original cities (incluidng the one's of China) by the end of the game (100 turns)

AND 2. Both Beijing and Seoul being captured by 1 of the enemies (either Mongolia and Japan, not sure if either of them control 1 capital counts)

Quite frankly I just plopped down GDR to make it easy, just letting Japan win was way too annoying since you still saw China's movement (and the AI is pretty much good against each other on Diety)

 

[FeiLing]

@FeiLing: how did you manage to lose with Korea? Is it necessary that Seoul and Beijing are conquered?

Beijing will never fall neither to Manchu nor Japan. So you need to LOSE via points.

I my linked thread above I actually wrote something about how I did it

Taekwon-DOH! (Lose as Korea) [0%]
OH.MY.GOD. I've build exactly 420 scouts (worth 21k points) during this game.
All died horribly in a suicide attack against Japan. Irony.

Of course you actually need your own cities (except one, otherwise you'd have won^^) to produce so many scouts and not kill any enemy units if possible (You will need to kill a few when they land, but damaging them before they land sometimes makes them retreat). I think I did it one Prince difficulty. Took all but Busan back (the city to the left is dangerous to leave it to Japan as China may be able to conquer it and win). Improved the cities to a point where every one of them can produce a scout in one turn... and didn't do anything but pump out Scouts for the rest of the game out of every city every turn. A lot of annoying unit movement and of course new production assignment -.-

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

Like me, you could simply go into the World Builder, create a SEPEREATE scenario that uses the Korea scenario mod, plop down GDR beside both of the Capital, go in game, and wait so the AI takes over. That's how I achieved most of the Scenario and few of the non-Scenario achievements.

 

[Glassmage]

Like me, you could simply go into the World Builder, create a SEPEREATE scenario that uses the Korea scenario mod, plop down GDR beside both of the Capital, go in game, and wait so the AI takes over. That's how I achieved most of the Scenario and few of the non-Scenario achievements.

lol this guy.....

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

lol this guy.....

I actually didn't expect that to even work, but then remembered that I can aplpy mods in World Builder, so tah-dah.

I pretty much cheated for several achievements, and at this moment I'm only lacking 7 from 100%. I might cheat the Barbarian Ransom thing... though I'm gonna get the 1000 tiles, roads, temples etc. plus 100 units, generals and wins normally, since I'm close to everything but forests, somehow my workers are getting envoirmentally and don't chop my forests as much.. did that just sound dirty?

 

[Glassmage]

lol a little....

 

[krc]

I might cheat the Barbarian Ransom thing...

Hardly worth cheating. Turn on raging barbs, remove city states, and reduce the number of AI civs so you become the only target. Then just build settlers and found cities but don't defend them. (You probably need a warrior to escort the settlers to a spot where you can found a city.