Leaders revealed

[Siptah]

No other civs have two leaders.

it's supposed to have 18+1 civs but we have 20 leaders

 

[ehecatzin]

Njinga Mbande is NOT Mvemba a Nzinga. Mvemba a Nzinga is Afonso's name.

Aww, I just read Nzinga and got so excited.

 

[CaiusDrewart]

Also, this is official: this is the worst starter civ line up in the entire series. Sparta. Unbelievable. Meanwhile India being one civ is totally cool guize, because they're brown they're all the same! But nope, we need to make Athens and Sparta different civs because all the minute differences between the two!

Actually pretty mad over this.

Athens and Sparta are quite different. The sharp historical contrast between Sparta's emphasis on militarism, land power, and rule of the few versus Athens's emphasis on intellectual achievement, naval power, and rule of the many is very famous.

I'm totally with you on Civ's depiction of India being a total embarrassment though. That needs to be fleshed out in a big way.

 

[Turquoiside]

No, that is Alfonso, just his native name.

Also, this is official: this is the worst starter civ line up in the entire series. Sparta. Unbelievable. Meanwhile India being one civ is totally cool guize, because they're brown they're all the same! But nope, we need to make Athens and Sparta different civs because all the minute differences between the two!

Actually pretty mad over this.

For one, I think Sparta and Athens are going to be on civ, and I actually think that's a pretty fun choice for a civ to have two leaders. I like it. That would change if it turns out of them is just a whole separate DLC civ, but I really don't think...

But otherwise, I agree with you. Even some of the "non-European" civs are actually the most "European" civs they could have possibly picked. Who needs variety!

 

[Tomorrow's Dawn]

Aww, I just read Nzinga and got so excited.

Same here. I got excited since it seemed like one of the few bright spots from this and then

 

[Dehumanizer]

So 4 leaders are missing from that list. And they seem to be Teddy, Trajan, Tomyris and Victoria. So this build includes some DLC, but not all. It seems so.

Jadviga and Isabella seem to be DLC.

The screenshot doesn't show the whole list. You can clearly see the option of scrolling down.

 

[Cerilis]

I spent the entire lead up to that going "no, no, they wouldn't. They have to know... Oh, okay, they are showing it. Well, it's got to be intentional... Nope, no it's not. It just got super awkward. They did not think this through. Huh. Oh well. Oh, right! New leaders!"

I actually thought that was totally on purpose. Didn't they kinda out of nowhere just say "Oh, there was a question about the agenda (it was some time ago), let's check that up in the civilopedia."?

 

[Enrico Swagolo]

The screenshot doesn't show the whole list. You can clearly see the option of scrolling down.

It's alphabetical, neither I nor J can appear after T, so there can't be Isabella nor Jawdiga there

 

[esoba]

I actually thought that was totally on purpose. Didn't they kinda out of nowhere just say "Oh, there was a question about the agenda (it was some time ago), let's check that up in the civilopedia."?

Except the crazy awkwardness that followed.

 

[Ryuu Falconwing]

The screenshot doesn't show the whole list. You can clearly see the option of scrolling down.

When they scrolled, we saw that there was only one leader left at the bottom. Alphabetically, that means just Victoria

 

[DeutschDachs]

I'm just blown away... how can Gorgo even be in the game? She did absolute nothing noteworthy historically. And then potentially as the leader of a separate Spartan Civ? Who wanted that? What are they thinking. Tamar of Georgia is a joke but my god she'd make for a better leader and Georgia a better Civ! Can't believe it

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

If there's 20 leaders. Then there's 19 civs.

Aztecs are the 19th civ, which thank god for that.

 

[GenyaArikado]

OMG WE GOT B5 GUYS WE GOT B5. MOTHER****ING GORGO BEACHES

No Rome???

AND no Mongols???

Some of the most powerful civs in history are missing.

T of Trajan goes after S.

 

[esoba]

I'm just blown away... how can Gorgo even be in the game? She did absolute nothing noteworthy historically. And then potentially as the leader of a separate Spartan Civ? Who wanted that? What are they thinking. Tamar of Georgia is a joke but my god she'd make for a better leader and Georgia a better Civ! Can't believe it

Stop. Breathe. And then realize we don't know yet how it will play out. Can Greece choose between the two or are they seperate. Relax for now.

 

[Tomorrow's Dawn]

Athens and Sparta are quite different. The sharp historical contrast between Sparta's emphasis on militarism, land power, and rule of the few versus Athens's emphasis on intellectual achievement, naval power, and rule of the many is very famous.

I'm just blown away... how can Gorgo even be in the game? She did absolute nothing noteworthy historically. And then potentially as the leader of a separate Spartan Civ? Who wanted that? What are they thinking. Tamar of Georgia is a joke but my god she'd make for a better leader and Georgia a better Civ! Can't believe it

There's still the possibility of Greece having two leaders, which would be honestly preferable to me.
Needless balkanization just makes people beg for civs that aren't civs or are just cultural subsets of established civilizations.

 

[Dehumanizer]

It's alphabetical, neither I nor J can appear after T, so there can't be Isabella nor Jawdiga there

I was replying to the first part of his comment (regarding "Teddy, Trajan, Tomyris and Victoria"). Again, you can see that the scrollbar can move there.

 

[Art Grin]

Athens and Sparta are quite different. The sharp historical contrast between Sparta's emphasis on militarism, land power, and rule of the few versus Athens's emphasis on intellectual achievement, naval power, and rule of the many is very famous.

That doesn't matter though they're still Greeks and part of the Greek civilization. Just two different states that had different approaches to politics but they were by no means different civilizations. Seriously I don't like crying about civ choices but having Greece and Sparta is just silly.
What next Germany and a separate Prussia?
Russia and Novgorod?
England and Wessex?

 

[Cerilis]

Except the crazy awkwardness that followed.

That was totally like "Ooooops, what did we do. *winks slyly to confidant*"

 

[anandus]

No other civs have two leaders.

Yet

 

[tedhebert]

Feel so bad for Ed ! But that's the ever present danger of live action Even greats like Jobs and Gates have had those "Uh-OH" moments doing live presentations, so I just hope he doesn't get too much crap from fireaxis for this... Things like this just happen, they'll just have to roll with it !