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Uh. Exactly?
If he was a better general, he could've defeated Alexander. He had enough resources at his disposal, he just dropped the ball on the field.
Leaders that shouldn't be there!
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Uh. Exactly?
If he was a better general, he could've defeated Alexander. He had enough resources at his disposal, he just dropped the ball on the field.
Actually I wonder why Mao and Stalin are there but not Hitler. Both killed much more people then Hitler did. And surely the comunism brought much more suffering worldwhile then the fascism... but wait... even the fascism is here... Is it only because Hitler lost the war? If Hitler conqured Moscow and Stalin was captured then what?
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He had no good Generals! He could have been great if it weren't for bad luck.
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Hitler isnt in because instead of bringing a stronger Germany, he totally lost and got crushed. His own people hate him and ban him, his ideologies and his symbols. Really sucessful aint him?
Some said the same about Napoleon. But the thing is Napoleon was a brilliant General. His country was still mostly intact and he introduce many laws and reforms such as his Napoleonic Code that is still used to today. The french people still celebrate his conquest and so on.
Stalin, defeated Hitler and pushed him out of Russia. He was also responsible with the mordernising of Russia. Russia emerge from WWII a better nation than Germany. Its indutries boomed, people united, it country stable. Yes he purge a few million. Yes, he had prison camps. But the point is that Russia(at least asian russia) fought and defended their motherland from the germans, expeled them and was still stable. Plus communism isnt as screwed up as Nazism
Same with China, even with the ******** revoloution!
Thats why Hitler is not there
Some said the same about Napoleon. But the thing is Napoleon was a brilliant General. His country was still mostly intact and he introduce many laws and reforms such as his Napoleonic Code that is still used to today. The french people still celebrate his conquest and so on.
Stalin, defeated Hitler and pushed him out of Russia. He was also responsible with the mordernising of Russia. Russia emerge from WWII a better nation than Germany. Its indutries boomed, people united, it country stable. Yes he purge a few million. Yes, he had prison camps. But the point is that Russia(at least asian russia) fought and defended their motherland from the germans, expeled them and was still stable. Plus communism isnt as screwed up as Nazism
Same with China, even with the ******** revoloution!
Thats why Hitler is not there
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Communisim was a good idea at first. A Government to protect the people, to serve the people. Unfortunatley, most Commies were corrupt F*******.
Peng Qi
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All governments are to protect the people to serve the people, but all governments have corruption. Communism was always an awful idea because it rewards idiots for being idiots and punishes geniuses for being geniuses.
AfterShafter
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Eh, Communism looks at the question of "Do you deserve to be taken better care of because you're a genius than if you were a regular joe?" and says "No." Whether this is a good judgment is debatable, and it's pretty clear that Communism screwed up the formula, but it's not nearly as clear cut as you're making it sound - "punishing the geniuses and rewarding the idiots."
As for punishing geniuses, our current system punishes a great deal of genius because it's not orthodox, not mainstream, not saleable. How many real geniuses get crapped on their whole lives because they can't turn the fruits of their genius into some commercially viable product? We've created an environment where certain types of genius and certain types of idiocy get rewarded, and certain types of each get squat. If you dislike the idea of "punishing the geniuses and rewarding the idiots, we have a fair bit of work to do on our system, since rewards are roughly doled out to whoever the masses of idiots like and are comfortable with.
PS - I'm not espousing the virtues of communism, nor suggesting it is a viable form of government - just pointing out that I don't think it's quite the straw man you're making it out to be.
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Don't forget, the Genius in question might die as the leader, while the Average Joe will die after a normal life.
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Spain should be in the game! They helped rediscover the New World. As well as destroying the Aztecs and Inca. They were great!
elder abuser
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^^ yep, its based on historical recognition. Montezuma was a crappy Aztec leader, but he's the only one we know because the Spanish burned the ancient writings as heresy. Same goes for Huyana Capac, except he was less crappy than Montezuma and the Inca never had Writing so we can't read back about previous leaders. I don't know anything about Pacal II, my Mayan history is a little sketch... It's not the best leaders in history, it's the ones wwe remember... like Stalin.
Incans did have writeing (of sorts)......check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quipu for more info.
Btw, go Milwaukee
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For you destroying the aztecs and incas was great?? it was the worst part of discoveries.
If you like that part then I prefer the WWI and WWII with Jews extermination.
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Peng Qi
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Are you kidding? Destroying the Incas was pretty bad, but the Aztecs were way worse than the Nazis could ever hope to be. I thank my lucky stars that the Spanish wiped them off of the map and stopped their daily blood sacrifices to their dark gods once and for all. Any culture that admits that its gods are evil isn't the kind of culture I want hanging around.
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Revise your history. Roosevelt is cited by Historians as one of the greatest US president alongside Washington and Lincoln.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_United_States_Presidents
This lists accounts for the opinions of many of the most reknown American historians. Note that conservatives as well as liberal historians were questionned for these rankings.
Roosevelt is rarely below second or third. Sometimes he's first.
That is telling.
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I'm Anti-Nazi. I'm not too sure why the Aztecs are so much worse. After all, at least they treated their victims with respect.
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Nazism is banned in several countries. And neither Stalin nor Mao did start a world war. They were, externally, rather peaceful (if you disregard the cold war and such).
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Amount of sacrifices by the Aztec's yearly, the majority of which were POW or criminals, and a few of which willingly offered themselves for sacrifice, in the 15th century, as recorded by Cortes, the first European to actually see it: 3000 to 4000 - Population of the Aztec empire at the time: 25 million.
Ratio: 14 out of 100000
Amount of criminals executed/burned for crimes, or POW, or religious reasons (witch hunt was a big one) in Europe in the 15th century: 2000 to 3000 - Population of Europe at the time: 70 million.
Ratio: 35 out of 1000000
Amount of executed yearly by the Nazis during their reign: 500,000 to 2,000,000 - Population of occupied territories at the time: 400 million
Ratio: 25 out of 10000
Don't say the Aztecs are worse here. They were bad, but the Nazis were a heck of a lot worse, and the Europeans were pretty dang bloodthirsty at this time themselves.
And don't even get me started on the barbaric practice of killing people to appease God or Gods. Europe was just as bad as the Aztecs were at it's peak. Inquisition, crusades, witch hunts, ring a bell? (Oh yeah, the Spanish Inquisition killed over 20 million people, and some say as high as 60 million, and this happened during and after the Aztecs fell; it even continued in small amounts until it was abolished in 1834! Total Aztec sacrifices don't even hold a flame to the amount killed in the inquisition.)
The scary thing about Aztec sacrifice is to some of those killed, it was the highest honor. They wanted to pay their debt to the Gods, and it was highly celebrated. There are reports from this period of entire families being proud when someone offered themselves. Also admit that their Gods are evil? Where'd you get that load of
? Huitzilopochtli was at constant war to keep the Sun alive, and keep darkness at bay. To the Aztecs he wasn't evil. The only evil part is he required human sacrifices to keep himself alive and strong, but they certainly didn't see it was evil.
Peng Qi
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Actually, those are polls. He's not cited by historians as one of the greatest, he's cited by common people as one of the greatest.
LightSpectra
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That's the number Jack Chick, a fundamentalist Christian and anti-Catholic bigot, gives. Would you like to consult a source that associates itself with sanity?
It's impossible for them to have killed 20 million people, considering the population of all West Europe was less than 80 million. In reality, the upper limit was 5,000 people, probably closer to 3,000 people all-in-all. The inquisition was more notorious for burning heretical books than executions.
First of all, the inquisition was designed to protect devout Catholics from being accused of heresy. The Spanish part of it was taken over by the monarchy, and began using it to wipe away Jews and Muslims for political control. You can hardly blame that on religion.
The crusades were a political war for Europe to push away the Muslim empire. They used religion as an inspiration for the common folk to bear arms, but don't fool yourself into thinking it was a bloodthirsty hunt to wipe out other faiths. The later crusades were solely about filling the kings' coffers with foreign gold.
You have a point about witch hunts, but like the Spanish Inquisition, only a few thousand people were killed, as opposed to the Aztec empire's mass sacrifices that happened all throughout its existence.
