Let Killer back!!

[anarres]

From the forum rules:

"If you don't like something that an admin or a moderator did, you can post why you think the admin or moderator is wrong in the Site Feedback forum."

Well, I think AoA was too harsh on Killer when he banned him. The post leading up to this is here.

ERIKK tried to post a (very nicely worded) grovel asking for Killer back, and was legitimately censored. I get the impression this is the place to beg to AoA or TF, so here I am.

Please give us Killer back! AoA, he wasn't trying to usurp your authority when he PM'd TF. If you remember, you have banned Killer before for PM'ing you, so that wasn't really a valid recourse for him. A PM to TF is a lot less public than posting in this forum too, but I suppose you would have prefered it if he had posted his grevances here...

I have issues with the overbearing nature of mods sometimes, yet I accept that we support a diverse community, and the mods represent that diversity.

AoA, you have strong opinions, and are not afraid to say things that upset people (and I don't think there is anything wrong with this). However, when you do this and you are the mod, people will question your authority. Would it not be better to accept that and not be quite so strict? Do you think that you are encouraging an open discussion when you come very close to the line yourself and crack down on people who are only just over it?

Just my 2 cents. I have thought this for a long time, and despite the forum rules I am scared of being banned for questioning the way a mod works.

 

[Alcibiaties of Athenae]

These types of threads are not permitted, do you realize I could ban YOU now?

 

[Shabbaman]

Personally, I think it should be better if mods stayed out of the discussion, so it'd be clear what their side is. This is also what Killer noted in that thread.
Things tend to get hot sometimes in the OT. If that's why people get kicked away, or even go away because they don't like it anymore, maybe it's time to revisit the whole idea of the OT forum.

CFC is about civilization.

 

[Alcibiaties of Athenae]

Is that why you linked it to CDG?

The both of you are on thin ice.

The matter is closed, or perhaps you would like to join the killer on the sideline?

I will not have my authority usurped in this fashion.

 

[Aggie]

The OT forum obviously isn't a place were you are able to give your opinion about things. I've got no problems with that. I do have problems with the fact that as long as you have the same opinion as a mod, you are OK, but if you have other opninions, you're out. Even if that opninion is offensive to a lot of us. I do understand why Killer felt that he HAD to react on AoA's opinions. I also think that there was nothing wrong with the way he made his points. Also considering that he proved to be one of the most valuable members at CFC (FAQ, Newbie thread, SG's, etc, etc..) really makes me wonder why he was banned.

 

[Stapel]

I agree!!

I simply can not beleive killer was banned for this:

I was NOT trying to play games, and if it appeared so to you I apologize.



Your wildly, unspecifically calling Arab states racist is not bearable!
PMed TF about this.
Moderator Action: Suspended, one week.

You are NOT the moderator here, "telling" on me.

You have breached procedure.

AoA

I find that very, very hard to beleive.

If it is true, AoA is using his power as a mod in a wrong way IMVHO.

Also this words of AoA: Moderator Action: The next poster who insults me with a "Are posting as a modertor " coment will be banned a week.
is a slightly silly: It is not an insult!!! It is an advice for keeping this forum ok!

Chieftess: Why did you delete the post in the newby section? It would have been 'chique' cutting and pasting them in this section. This looks like 'mods protecting each other'. I'm not saying it is, I'm saying it looks like it.
This is the whole point about AoA: When posting 'strong, possibly upsetting, opinions' yourself while banning other posters for something that might look like something of an insult, people start questioning!

 

[Alcibiaties of Athenae]

Moderator Action: Since you all seem to be ignoring your friendly moderator, it's example time.

Step one, I said this was illeagal and tye discussion is over.

Ignored.

Aggie, one week, defiance of authority.
Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889

 

[Alcibiaties of Athenae]

Moderator Action: Stapel, one week, same offense.
Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889

 

[Stapel]

AoA,

If these types of thread are not permitted, why does Chieftess ask us to make one?

 

[Stapel]

Fascist

 

[anarres]

AoA, why am I on thin ice? Please, all I am asking for is clarification.

EDIT: REMOVED EVERYTHING THAT COULD BE CONSTRUED IN ANY KIND OF NAGATIVE LIGHT

 

[Alcibiaties of Athenae]

Moderator Action: Second week added to Stapel.
Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889

 

[Alcibiaties of Athenae]

Originally posted by anarres
AoA, why am I on thin ice? Please, all I am asking for is clarification.

EDIT: REMOVED EVERYTHING THAT COULD BE CONSTRUED IN ANY KIND OF NAGATIVE LIGHT

It's called procedure, and contempt for it.

Killer made it very clear privately he has contempt for site authority, and the little CDG demonstration indicates calculated disrepect.

When a moderator says NO, that's it.

You follow the guidelines.

Some of you think this is some kind of joke, but I assure, this is serious.

 

[anarres]

Can you tell us then AoA, what is the procedure if we have a greviance about a mod?

The forum rules state we can post in site feedback, which is what this is. If we can't post here, we are essentially gagged.

 

[Alcibiaties of Athenae]

The procedure is you contact said mod VIA PM.

If that fails, THEN, and ONLY THEN, you contact Thunderfall.

You DO NOT post in another CFC section and link to other sites to bring your friends over.

You thought this would make me reconsider?

Killer had that chance, and was still playing games.

The games are over.

 

[anarres]

AoA, what you have just said is not the procedure that is written in the site rules.

How come?

EDIT:

From the forum rules:

"If you don't like something that an admin or a moderator did, you can post why you think the admin or moderator is wrong in the Site Feedback forum."

 

[Hurricane]

Originally posted by Alcibiaties of Athenae
The procedure is you contact said mod VIA PM.

If that fails, THEN, and ONLY THEN, you contact Thunderfall.

You DO NOT post in another CFC section and link to other sites to bring your friends over.

I was actually tempted to check this thread after the ad in the newbie thread lol: ), and even though I have been around for some time, I was not really aware of the "PM first" procedure. The forum rules only say that you are allowed to discuss moderator actions in the site feedback forum. There is nothing said about PM:s there. So maybe the forum rules should get an added "if you think the moderator made a mistake, FIRST send him a private message". I mean, I have never even used the PM function, so how am I and other sporadic posters supposed to get this without proper guidance.

EDIT: seems I cross-posted with anarres. Anyway, I think we both have the same question.

 

[Yoda Power]

Originally posted by anarres
From the forum rules:

"If you don't like something that an admin or a moderator did, you can post why you think the admin or moderator is wrong in the Site Feedback forum."

He has a point AoA

 

[Alcibiaties of Athenae]

Because TF hasn't updated it.

This was changed OVER a year ago, as we often had people come here and start trouble, and nothing gets resolved this way.

I know the documentation is old, notice I didn't ban you?

However, I will not have this little revolt game.

Certain posters have a problem because the phrase "Third Reich Team" was removed, and they still play out that grudge.
Yes, CDG, we monitor you also.

I can be very resonable, as ERIKK about it.

But try to spit in my face in my house, your going to lose.

 

[Chieftess]

Originally posted by Stapel
Chieftess: Why did you delete the post in the newby section? It would have been 'chique' cutting and pasting them in this section. This looks like 'mods protecting each other'. I'm not saying it is, I'm saying it looks like it.
This is the whole point about AoA: When posting 'strong, possibly upsetting, opinions' yourself while banning other posters for something that might look like something of an insult, people start questioning!

The newbie thread has hundreds of posts, and it would have taken longer just to split those 7 posts or so. Besides, it was also threadjacking that thread.