[LH] Josip Broz Tito

GarretSidzaka said:
Hi!

This one was requested by MarshalAlex. This is a former president of Yugoslavia. He was apparently renowned in his time and was their leader for many years. In fact, at his funeral, in 1988, he had THE largest state funeral in history, with more statesmen than Churchill or even JFK!!! crazy!!

well anyway, this leaderhead is based on De Galle and uses his animations.

Please find a home for him, but definitely remember to give me the credit im due :)

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he died a bit earlier in 1980. and althow he was a commie bastard the reason so many people showed up was he was quite a figure in international politcs
 
bastard or not, I can guarantee that all ex-yugoslavian countries lived better in those days then now! we had more rights! more money and jobs! :mad:
 
That's because Yugoslavia was always better when it wasn't under Serb rule. They always seem to mess things up.


GarretSidzaka, I'm very impressed with your work on this leaderhead. It looks so much like the picture posted of the real Tito. Great job!
 
@Shqype
Thank you! I am glad on how this leader turned out, myself :)

@Partizanac
Well, communism isn't great, but Globalization is most definitely worse. And i also know that eastern europe is being treated like a third world country in this respect. Kinda like USA treats Mexico, I imagine.
I have little love for Serbs, as i was in Kosovo in '99 with the military :cry:
 
You should go to Kosovo now :( If Serbs where killing the Albanians and forcing them to leave, how come Kosovo is almost 100% Albanian? I think the marts attacks by Albanians didn't had to happen :( and why did they burned almost all the monasteries that where more than 800-900 years old.
I don't say Serbs didn't commit crimes there... but you can't generalize the whole population...

and Shqype I'm going to ignore your post, cause I don't want to start an argument!
 
Yeah, bro. when i was visiting the military prison on the base, strangely enough (considering we were "fighting serbs") the prisoners were almost all ethic albanians and a few gypsies. That was my first impression that something was very wierd. Mind you i havent been back since '99 so i don't know what the current situation is, beyond that i think it is heating up again.

If you guys want to argue, go over to the second revolution subforum and check out the political debate thread! :)
 
Partizanac said:
You should go to Kosovo now :( If Serbs where killing the Albanians and forcing them to leave, how come Kosovo is almost 100% Albanian? I think the marts attacks by Albanians didn't had to happen :( and why did they burned almost all the monasteries that where more than 800-900 years old.
I don't say Serbs didn't commit crimes there... but you can't generalize the whole population...

and Shqype I'm going to ignore your post, cause I don't want to start an argument!
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Kosova is over 90% Albanian because it has been for centuries now. Whatever outlash against any Serbian buildings the Albanian population may have committed is regrettable, fueled by instability over the limbo the region was placed in. But, you must remember that those "monastaries" were a) hotbeds of anti-Albanian forces where paramilitaries often hid out, and b) originally Albanian Catholic churches that were converted by the Serbs centuries earlier.

Kosova is a failed colonization attempt by Serbia. Thankfully soon they will receive their independence.
 
On December 10 this year the negotiation talks on the status of Kosova are supposed to end; with the current standstill and Russia's clear stance with Serbia against negotiation for independence it is likely that nothing new will be accomplished.

The United States has maintained that it will be ready to recognize and support a declaration of independence by the Albanian Kosovars after this date. So independence isn't here yet, but it is on the horizon.
 
Shqype said:
Kosova is over 90% Albanian because it has been for centuries now. Whatever outlash against any Serbian buildings the Albanian population may have committed is regrettable, fueled by instability over the limbo the region was placed in. But, you must remember that those "monastaries" were a) hotbeds of anti-Albanian forces where paramilitaries often hid out, and b) originally Albanian Catholic churches that were converted by the Serbs centuries earlier.

Kosova is a failed colonization attempt by Serbia. Thankfully soon they will receive their independence.
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KOSOVO's monastery's where builted by a Serbian Medieval Lords, Serbs were in the Balkans before anybody knew who Albania is... Albanians came from the Khazar mountains they where nomads! then they migrated to Sicily where there are still old Albanians living there, because of the war in todays Italy and constant conquests, Albanians migrated to Epirus, where they finally settled... coming from Sicily to Epirus Roman catholic church saw an opportunity to spread their religion to the east (again) and turn Pagan Albanians to Catholic! then turks came, and forced Albanians in to Islam! till today the Albanians are Islamic nation...

Now about KOSOVO, it was never Albanian, never! they only occupied it in WW2 and commit ethnic cleaning by their fascists! thats when "Great Albania: was created, and they want to create that same great Albania that their fascists created in blood! Kosovo will never get independence cause it never has bean independent! KOSOVO is SERBIA and it always will be :cool:

You can type as much as you can from your chair in New York, trying to redempt your self for leaving your country and proving to your self to be a patriot... true patriots stay in their homeland, and why aren't you there? cause its a poor life there, all because you guys want something thats not yours!

And another thing, you say you are descendants from ancient people called Illyrians, thats like saying I'm a Roman! this was once Roman Empire, so I'm Roman! you see how this sounds stupid?

Note for a day: KOSOVO IS SERBIA
 
Well, it is a rather passionate debate but it will be soon out of control, no ? What do you think to discuss this subject in a more appropriate forum ?
Fact is that Tito is now available and it will be interesting to see what must be his attitude in a civ game. Thank you, Garret, for your great and shiny work !
 
I'll disregard your lack of excellence in the English language, and pretend everything you said makes sense.

1) The first Slavs didn't migrate to the Balkans in significant numbers until the 6th century AD. And they didn't do so in a single wave either, but came more as "nomads" in many small waves.

From Wikipedia:
The basic name, Serboi, originates in the works of Tacitus, Plinius and Ptolemy in the 1st and 2nd centuries, describing a people living north of the Caucasus. Following the migration into Central Europe, White Serbs established a state called Sorbia (White Serbia) in the 5th century. Their arrival in the Balkans is thought to have happened in 630, when Serbs settled among the other Slavic tribes that settled there a century earlier and mixed with them forming a medieval Serbian nation.
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According to that source, the Serb origins are from the Caucasus, haha. Now I don't personally believe that without seeing strong evidence of this, but it just goes to show how stupid and gullible a person must be to take two names that sound similar and link them to being the same people!

Anyway, Albanians are the present-day descendants of the ancient Illyrians. Don't know where your Khazar mountains BS comes from, but it is probably those Serbs that take the ancient "Aghbania" in the Caucasus (Latinized as "Albania") and make the argument "OMG! Now we can say that the Albanians come from the Caucasus!" You know Serbs, always looking for ways to discredit the Albanians!

The Serbs don't mention that Scotland in the medieval times was also called by its Latinized name of "Albania." Why doesn't some obscure Serb theory link the Scottish to the Albanians on this wild-goose chase from the Caucasus through Italy and Epirus? Probably because there's no historical evidence to make this BS have any intellectual weight; it's just a politically fueled polemic.

Now to continue on to answer your first paragraph, I will tell you the history as it happened and as is supported by historical evidence. The ancient peoples known as the Illyrians, the first settlers of Europe in the Balkans, occupied Epirus all the way through the Balkans and close to the top of Italy on the side of Croatia. Their neighbors, the ancient Greeks, grouped them as a people under 1 name of the "Albanians", which came from the "Albani" tribe in central Albania. The Chinese were all grouped as such from the "Qin" dynasty in the same way.

Some more info about the etymology of Albania from wikipedia:
Albania is the Medieval Latin name of the country, which is called Shqipëri by the inhabitants. In Medieval Greek, the name is Albania besides variants Albaētia, Arbanētia.(OED). The ultimate origin of the Alb- element has been traced to an Illyrian alb "hill" cognate to the alp "mountain pasture" found in the Alpine region.[3]

In the II Century BC, in the History of the World, written by Polybius, there is mention of a city named Arbon in present day central Albania. The people who lived there were called Arbanios and Arbanitai.[4][5]

Another suggestion is derivation from the Illyrian tribe of the Albanoi recorded by Ptolemy the geographer and astronomer from Alexandria, who drafted a map of remarkable significance for the history of Illyria. This map shows the city of Albanopolis (located south of Durrës).[6][7] In his 'History' written in 1079-1080,Byzantine historian Michael Attaliates was first to refer to Albanoi as having taken part in a revolt against Constantinople in 1403 and to Arbanitai as subjects of the duke of Dyrrachium.[8]

During the Middle Ages the Albanians called their country Arbër or Arbën and referred to themselves as Arbëresh or Arb'nesh.
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The ancient Illyrians in the southern half of their domain resisted assimilation from the Romans and eventually the Slavs when they began arriving, and it was these Illyrians that retained their identity which became known as Albanians. There aren't many records of them as an entity because in the days of the early middle ages, the Balkans saw wave after wave of conquerors, and the maps labeled only empires and political boundaries, not demographics of the population. And if any attempt was made at demographics, it was horribly skewed, naming those under the Greek empire as Greeks, etc., regardless of the ethnic composition and minorities within that empire.

The Albanians throughout their history did not call themselves "Albanians" though. In the middle ages, somewhere around the 12th century, the Albanians had the kingdom of Arbnia. But, again, because the Albanians were always divided along tribal lines and fought amongst each other, they were never unified into a single political state, and were easily the target of Bulgarian, Byzantine, and Serb empire and conquest which used divide and conquer tactics to gain control of the land.

As for religion, the Illyrians were amongst the first Christians. St. Paul preached Christianity in the Illyrian Dyrrahu (Dyrrachium) which is the present-day Albanian port city of Durres. An Illyrian, St. Jerome, converted the Bible from the Hebrew texts to Latin. The Illyrian dynasty of Roman emperors included Constantine the Great, which accepted Christianity on behalf of the Roman empire. There were popes of the Catholic Church of Illyrian and later Albanian descent. Our national identity was born out of a holy war against the Ottoman Empire during the 15th century. Years later, once Albania was finally conquered by the Turks (saving Rome and Western Europe from Ottoman conquest), roughly 70% of the population was converted to Islam in an attempt to stop the Albanians from constantly rebelling against the empire in the name of the religion. (The Serbs were spared from this because they laid down their weapons and immediately swore fealty to the Turks). Albania has never been an Islamic nation. Once it officially became recognized politically as a new country in 1912 it did not have Islam as its state religion. For a period it was the only atheist country in the world (declared so by the communists), but Islam was not officially the state religion. As for today, Albania proper has more Christians than it has Muslims.

2) In ancient times, before the Serbs existed and came to the Balkans, the inhabitants of the region of Kosova were ancient Illyrians. To be exact, they were known as Dardanians, since they were Illyrians of the Dardani tribes.

The Serbs began to gain strength in the 13th century when Stefan Simon Nemanjic - previously Zupan - started using, in 1217, the title of king.49 At that time the Serbs had already taken much land from the Albanians. In 1217, they conquered Peja (Pec) which was to become in 1346 the see of the Serbian Patriarch. The greater part of Kosova, however, was not yet in their power.50 It was afterward that they got hold of it little by little. But the Serbian kingdom, within the short span of its existence was not marked by fixity. Its precarious stability is indicated by a striking array of capitals: Raška, Priština, Belgrade, Kruševac, Smederevo, Belgrade again, Prizren, Banjska, Shkup (Skopje), Prilep, Smederovo, Kruševac again, Kragujevac.51 The names of these short-lived capitals suggest that the Serbs invaded and conquered, but then retreated and lost, because of some kind of opposition that they found. In this regard, it is interesting to note an observation made by V. Cubrilovic in his rather inhumane memorandum:52 "The Albanians are the only people during the last millennium that managed not only to resist the nucleus of our state, but also to harm us". This remark indicates that the Serbs were opposed by the aboriginal population.

When Stefan Dušan was killed in 1355, the Serbian Empire included not merely Kosova; it encompassed practically all of present Albania, Greece, Bulgaria, and part of Hungary. Yet the Empire had no fixity and lasted merely nine years. It had been built up with the help of mercenaries and it disintegrated immediately after Dušan's death because of the heterogeneous elements of which it was composed: Vlachs, Greeks, Albanians, etc.

As for Kosova - which is incorrectly designated as the cradle of the Nemanjic, for the Serbian nucleus did not start in Kosova, but in Raška, i.e., north of the site of present-day Novipasar53 - the very names of the capitals of that short-lived Serbian state suggest that Kosova was not even abidingly its center. That state, as pointed out by many historians, does not seem to have had any permanence or center.
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Vaso Cubrilovic took part in the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand, he became a professor at the University of Belgrade, and eventually Minister of Forests in the Yugoslav government. He was a Serb nationalist. And he admit that the Albanians resisted the nucleus of the Serb state. The Albanians were the indigenous inhabitants of the areas such as Kosova which the Serbs tried to settle.

Saint Sava, son of Stefan Nemanja, was the first Serb Archbishop from 1219 to 1233. In 1217 the Serbs conquered Peja (Pec) from the indigenous Albanian inhabitants, and it was made the seat of the Serbian Orthodox Church. All Saint Sava did was build monasteries all throughout Kosova to complement Serbia's colonization of the province. Coupled with their nationalist myth of false sense of identity, Kosova became a wet dream based on lies for the foundation of the Serbian people.

During WWII Kosova was united with Albania, since the Germans recognized the Illyrian ancestry of both peoples and sought to bring them together, but the communist leader of Albania sold Kosova back to Yugoslavia.

3) You sure talk an awful lot about things you know nothing of. I was born in New York. I'm not Kosovar. So you're wrong about 2 more things. My parents came to America in search of a better life because things were miserable and there was no opportunity for Albanians which lived under Serbian oppression. (We've seen time and again Serbian plans on dealing with Albanians). All the Albanians want is what is theirs. The Kosovars have suffered long and hard under Serbian domination, and I will be very happy when they are finally freed from it.

4) No, it is not like saying you are a Roman. A Serb saying he is a Roman is like an American saying he is a Native American. Just because you live in the same land once inhabited by an ancient people, does not mean you are one of those people. An Albanian is the descendant of an ancient Illyrian. Not just because he lives in that same land, but because his ancestors were those people! It's the same people living by a different name. The Albanian language, culture, and customs come from the Illyrians. Some of us name our children the same names that our Illyrian ancestors used. Racial and anthropological studies has shown the links between Illyrian and Albanian characteristics. Many scholars have done studies and have come to the conclusion that the Illyro-Albanian continuity is real, and is supported by various facts, from archeology to ethnography.

It had been clearly indicated by J.E. Thunmann, back in 1774, that the Albanians alone could possibly be considered as the descendants of the Illyrians. Their origin had been suggested even before (in a letter) by the philosopher Leibniz.

Aside from pointing out historical data, Thunmann also remarked that certain Illyrian names are still used by Albanians: Dasios = Dash; Dida = Dede; Bardhylis = Bardhe, etc. A. Boue, who from 1836 to 1838 journeyed across the Balkans accompanied by various experts, subscribed to Thunmann's theory. J.G. von Hahn exposed the same view in his learned work Albanesische Studien (Jena, 1853) basing his research on ethnography, history and linguistics.36

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That the Albanians have been living in the coastal areas since ancient times is evidenced by the fact that the Albanian language is greatly influenced by Latin; not merely Balkan Latin, but also Latin in its archaic form, missing not only in Rumanian, but sometimes even in other Romance languages. Latin also affects the vocabulary dealing with the intellectual and spiritual domain. Scholars have explained this influence through long-lasting relations between the Romans and the ancestors of the Albanians. Had the latter not been living since ancient times on the Adriatic coast, these relations would not have been possible.37

On the other hand, some Greek words in Albanian show the sound pattern of ancient Greek, an indication that the words were transmitted in an ancient epoch and that the Albanians must have been living in the vicinity of Greece for the past 3 000 years.

As regards Slavonic, from which the Albanians, like the Rumanians, borrowed many words, it has in no way affected the structure of their language, an indication that the borrowing must have taken place at a date when the Albanian language was already formed. Moreover, its influence is dialectical and concerns vocabulary dealing with material things rather than with spiritual matters. In Albanian, the terminology of the church, both Catholic and Orthodox, is not Slavonic, but overwhelmingly Latin with some Greek.38
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I almost feel bad for you; it's not your fault that you are a victim of ignorance formed by the Serbian propaganda you've been fed all your life. Thankfully in the United States I've been exposed to unbiased sources and have been given the ability to research on my own, instead of living through a brutal anti-Albanian ultra nationalist Serbian regime that keeps brainwashing its people to believe the silliest things.

There is a good source called "The Albanians in Yugoslavia in light of historical documents" by Dr. S.S. Juka which you can read, and it will shed light on the real historical facts about the history of Kosova. There you will learn how it was mostly a failed colonization attempt by Serbia. And maybe, just maybe, it will prepare you for the near future when Albanian Kosova finally receives independence from Serbia.

After you read it and get over the initial shock, you just might thank me. :)
 
your welcome!! there are some new methods out now that i have to learn (see Dutchking's patton leader head NEW)

im probly going to be taking requests now!! so anyone out there, just PM me!! :)
 
If only Tito was here, he'd try to suppress ethnic hatred :lol:
 
GarretSidzaka said:
your welcome!! there are some new methods out now that i have to learn (see Dutchking's patton leader head NEW)

im probly going to be taking requests now!! so anyone out there, just PM me!! :)
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:smoke: We should make a LH-Organization of some kind. I could organize a private forum for us at civunited and we could discuss many many things...:mwaha: I dunno if its necessary but it certainly would be very cool to share many experiences we've all had. Hmm...What do you think Garret? I'll PM everyone.
 
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