Liberation

[Dreadnought]

Guys, if Germany had just fought England, and not invaded Russia, Germany would have kicked Englands sorry butt.

I like the liberation concept, especially with the war warriness part.It would help ALOT!

 

[German Soldier]

well, its obius that ermany lost the war, thats history and nobody can change it(i'm very happy that the Nazis lost) But speaking of military capability, Germany had an extraordinary military, the royal air force was collapsing, but Hitler was always ignoring his generals, thats why he stopped bombing englad when england was Losing the battle of Btitain, this gave time to the British to rebuild their air force, then in africa Our best officer Rommel almost won with one third of the army the english had on Africa.Hitler never pay too much attention to rommel, he attacked russia and didn't want to waste troops in Africa, also we declared war on America the stupidest thing to do, they saved england, giving you tanks and raw material, our subs were starting to stranged yur powerful "navy" which was outdated, and it wasn't the biggest it was the second, america had the biggest Navy.Our smalll "navy" was sicking so much shipping that it was said that in two more years britan wouldn't be have being able to fight anymore. And Now, i don't get what you said? u said that Britain did what their people wanted, but i remember they didn' t want to go to conquer Iraq. Europe needs to be united, Didn't Britain wanted to united with France to make one country in ww2? then why don't do the same but this time uniting the wholed of Europe. we have to admit that europe united is the only way to be able to comfront America and China, and then we will able to defend ourselves. IF US wants to do whatever they want in the world we should let them do it but without us, and if we think what theri plan to do is unfair we should stop them, we are thankful to the americans about what they did but because of that it doesn't mean that they are always right and they can do whatever they want. Americans are cool , we just don't like Bush and the Bush REgime.

 

[greekguy]

liberation is an excellent idea, but it would only work by adding a victory type that utilizes it. maybe a Glory Victory, where a nation that does good acts of kidness throughout the ages gets points and enough points can win the game (i think i read it somwhere). liberation would be a great example and maybe if they made it possible to fight "peacekeeping" wars, you could do that. it would be you go to war, to defend a nation under attack, but can't capture cities. basically liberation is a good idea.

 

[Dachs]

Best officer Rommel? This is the same guy who overextended himself three times in the campaigns of the Western Desert? The guy that just "happened" to be out of France and away from his post on D-Day morning? Rommel never showed that he was capable of commanding beyond divisional command rank. Germany had many other fine officers in the Second World War, like Guderian, von Rundstedt, and von Manstein (to an extent). Rommel did fine in France with an armored division, all of his screwups were later, when he had a larger force.

...and as I recall, the English had a far smaller force than the Germans did until not long before Monty (another overrated general) smashed Rommel's oil-starved men at El Alamein. They inflicted casualties on the Italian Army in excess of a ration of 300:1. America's navy was big, but it was admittedly less-trained than the Brit one. The Royal Navy was the bigger thorn in the Kriegsmarine's side during the war. Brit shipping was finally starting to organize convoys with more escorts, and there was one scientist who had perfected the idea of an iceberg that could carry aircraft on it, decisively hampering the U-boats' effect on the Allies.

Hitler actually had more dash than most of his generals. He opposed them and forced them to attack France through the Ardennes in 1940 (the plan that worked) and saved Germany the chance to win the war. He also stopped the panzers on the hills near Dunkirk because Goering thought that the Luftwaffe could destroy the enemy on the ground. It couldn't (duh), and Hitler lost his first chance to invade England. That megalomaniac both saved Germany a lot of casualties and gained them at the same time.

Anyway, I think we're all in favor of the actual idea of liberation, or at least putting it in. I agree with seal's earlier posts that there should be a better form of diplo victory to reflect this.

 

[Synthshadow]

our subs were starting to stranged yur powerful "navy" which was outdated, and it wasn't the biggest it was the second, america had the biggest Navy.Our smalll "navy" was sicking so much shipping that it was said that in two more years britan wouldn't be have being able to fight anymore. And Now, i don't get what you said? u said that Britain did what their people wanted, but i remember they didn' t want to go to conquer Iraq. Europe needs to be united, Didn't Britain wanted to united with France to make one country in ww2? then why don't do the same but this time uniting the wholed of Europe. we have to admit that europe united is the only way to be able to comfront America and China, and then we will able to defend ourselves. IF US wants to do whatever they want in the world we should let them do it but without us, and if we think what theri plan to do is unfair we should stop them, we are thankful to the americans about what they did but because of that it doesn't mean that they are always right and they can do whatever they want. Americans are cool , we just don't like Bush and the Bush REgime.

I didnt say that we had the best navy, if you read what I said, I said we had the best BAR America, i think the whole world war thing is done now? As regards Iraq, I said Britain tends to do whatever other countries want BEFORE us.. Think America recently, there was BIG discussions on this over here and more of the public are AGAINST the Iraq thing now as we recently found out we were lied to as to why we went in.... Anyway I agree with the point if Europe were to unite they WOULD be a force to reckon America, China etc, fact is it will NEVER be united for the reasons I said in my earlier. If you Want German Soldier we can talk over it in the OT section but enough has been said in this thread that ISNT to do with what it was created for.

 

[German Soldier]

Sure, i agreed with you, WE r all europeans anyway, well LIberation, should be optional, like someone said before, everytime you conquer a city you should be able to keep t , liberated (give it back to its righful owner) or destroy it.

 

[Stid]

Lockesdonkeys right! france sucks!! lol i do agree with what you said bt i cant resist a dig at france/america. its my right as a brit

 

[KrikkitTwo]

Sure, i agreed with you, WE r all europeans anyway, well LIberation, should be optional, like someone said before, everytime you conquer a city you should be able to keep t , liberated (give it back to its righful owner) or destroy it.

Well when you capture a city you should be able to give it to Anyone, but the "rightful owner" should be the one most easily able to control it.

The "rightful owner" would appreciate the city most (in the sense that giving someone a city they cannot keep should not be regarded as a good gift.)

So if you gave a civ to a Non-rightful owner, then that civ would
a) not give you much for it (either tangible stuff or goodwill)
and
b) probably just give the city away to the rightful owner (although they Might negotiate something out of the rightful owner in exchange besides just goodwill)

 

[Kosez]

In CivIII cities can get owner`s culture too fast. You can bring settlers and workers in, or build settlers and workers, anyway, your enemy`s culture citizens vanish too quickly.
If that was not the case in CivIV, ceasing liberated cities to their rightful owner would be even better option.