Guardian_PL
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Civilization 4 Beyond the Sword Expansion (cIV BTS) has MANY more features because it is two expansions deep into the main game. It has also has had many patches to improve the small issues that matter to the fanatics. More features isn't always better though, it can be very confusing to new players.Care to elaborate?Civ5 is for casuals, Civ4 will make you a fanatic.
civ 5 has less features but is much more accessible (less confusing due to less features),has new (IMO better) play mechanics, has better visuals, and is not as difficult due to the AI not handling the new one unit per tile mechanic very well.
civ 5 will get to the point of having as much depth as cIV BTS but it is not there yet. That is assuming they do the same thing to civ 5 and put out 2 new expansions eventually.
Gee, and I thought that was question I was to answer...

Civ4 is a complex, box-inside-a-box game. Despite what others might say it's not hard - take such advice with a grain of salt

Why is it that people can debate for eight pages when posting the Civ4 game start online where to settle and which techs to go for first? It's because there's so many possibilities, and they are all interesting.
Civ5 is a one-night stand. After a while nothing is changing, it's all the same and meaningless, regardless different UAs for different civs. You reach Immortal with ease, and you turn away from the Deity because it's so bloody tedious. Yes, it's not amazingly hard, it's just tedious.
I've never won a game in Civ4 on Immortal. In Civ5 I won Deity thinking to myself "Finally, couldn't wait to stop playing this nonsense, never again such a skeetshoot contest!" You just kill and kill and kill and kill and there's no end of it, and it's boring, and your units have like 20 promotions but the AI just keeps coming and yaaaaaaawn. No cheesy exploits like four horsemen or "sell everything and declare" repeatedly - there's no need for that, AI is dreadful as it is.
I completely agree that Civ5 is not finished. It's empty, there are big holes where game content should be. And how boring it is all this luxury/open borders deal renegotiating, over and over and over again. Or dragging dozens of units here and there, with traffic jams everywhere - when I've played a game of Civ4 later on I thought how amazing stacks are - there you go, your immense horde here, two other armies there, couple of clicks and done - let's see what units to attack with first... Simple and effective, yet people rejoice that there's no tedius micromanagement in Civ5 - that always baffles me.
So yeah, maybe one day Civ5 will get interesting (though I doubt that), but for me it's simply not fun. You've got some candy graphics (which are not THAT amazing tbh, still, unchanging backgrounds to those so-called state-of-the-art leaders animation are drab) to drag casuals in and an inept psychotic AI to be pounded like a puppy.
Even what SuperJay said about not trusting Montezuma is sad - in Civ5 he's only a shadow of his former self, as stupid and insane as all the other AIs - I actually always thought I'm playing vs the same AI in Civ5 regardless the visuals.
In Civ4 every leader has it's own distinct personality and feels alive. And no, just because you know that Isabella is religious or Shaka a warmonger doesn't make it a cakewalk or boring - there's so many factors involved that there's always new, interesting diplomatic pattern to a developing game. But what you get is a sense of familiarity, you remember that this or that leader helped you/betrayed you in the past and now that he's in your new game you're like "hello again" and it's a great feeling.
And yeah, fear Monty when you have him as a neighbour in Civ4.
Is that elaborated enough for you starrywisdom?

Oh and that is just richI'm not referring to the "silent majority", I'm referring to the extremely positive feedback that civ 5 has gotten when the past several patches have come out. I'm not sure why you've got such a need to criticize civ5 and/or anybody who plays it. Maybe you would be more welcome back in the civ4 forums.
