LP1: That's the wrong end of the gun

Turn Zero - 1530
Turn off research. The three stooges don't want to talk. No trades. Change Dortmund to a theatre and Stuttgart to a forge.
Cancel the open borders with Medmed. Go next turn.

Turn 1 - 1535
Seville Privateeer > frigate
Toledo Theatre > forge
Declare.
Spy starts moving to Izmir
Cannons violate the border as do various other units. Defense? We don't need no stinking defense.
I dangle a bunch of knights out as bait near Izmir.

Turn 2 - 1540
Bait plan works flawlessly and I lose all but one knight. Main stacks plods along. Berlin's CH gets whipped.

Turn 3 - 1545
Nidaros Knight > knight
Berlin Ch > forge
The stack plods on. Privateer kills a Russian Caravel. Three stooges still won't talk.

Turn 4 - 1550
Privateer kills Egyptian galley. Caravel kills Hannibal's caravel. Samsun falls. Occupy it.

Turn 5 - 1555
Move some of the stack SE toward D-bakir. Research to 100%. MS in 4.

Turn 6 - 1560
Shell D-bakir. Suli is build Janissaries.

Turn 7 - 1565
Take D-bakir. Suli has 12 turns to rifles.

Turn 8 - 1570
Moving. Whip a spy.

Turn 9 - 1575
MS done. Start Music. Research to zero. Start moving stack north. Start upgrading zerks to grenadiers.

Turn 10 - 1580
Caravel kills a Russian caravel. Moving on Ankara. Signs indicate my plans.

Sorry for being so slow. I'm on vacation and have bad internet access.

I've been doing binary research. Feel free to whip, I barely did. Only took 2 cities. Next better player should be set up for at least 2 more. More, if we start whipping again.
 
It looks like it's Rex's turn,no?

Good ?, we need to come up with an updated roster


Sorry for being so slow. I'm on vacation and have bad internet access.

So, that no excuse!!:lol: Good set, we're pretty low on units, we have enough for Ankara but that's it. looks like a grenadier vs rifles war will son happen. we have enough EP to take down about 3 cities atm or steal RP, more if we run some spy specs.

move our GG chariot up to the stack by Ankara, I'd really wish we were in Nat for the draft. Need our cities to grow. I don't think we'll need Cuirassiers as grenadiers will eat up rifles, also start spamming out privateers to blockade Otto's coastal cities.

We can get Communism and run SP, maybe burn that GSpy on a GA (would need 2 GPs) Main thing we need is units, ALTHOUGH we could start our stack back and take Izmar and cap Otto. Have him research things we need, build a fleet while we regroup our cities and hit the others with a D-Day stack!
 
Friends, sorry for my absence. Work/Civ conflicts are no fun for anyone. Anyhow, if it's my turn, I can pick this up with a report by tomorrow AM. PRomise.
 
Well, looking at my log, it seems I'm too stupid to count to ten. Sorry. I played only eight. But eight is better than none unless you're counting herpes pustules, so I'll call it a win and move on in life.

As it turns out, we had plenty of troops.

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We just had them somewhat all over the place. I've been bringing up troops from the south and east to wipe out the Ottomans and we should have enough up there to do it now.

I have several stacks of not quite doom poised to take out the next cities once either troops are healed or defense arrives to relieve them.

Not much else to report, really. Ms. De' Arc </bill or ted> showed up ...

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...and I made an academy in Nidaros.

Selleiman will capitulate, but why?

Also, I have a spy in Istanbul ready to tear down the wall </roger waters> as soon as our troops need her to.


Autolog dump in spoiler (though I forgot to turn it on until after the beginning of my first turn).
Spoiler :
Logging by BUG Mod 4.3 [Build 2139] (BtS 3.13-3.19)
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Turn 337 (1585 AD) [07-Aug-2010 08:46:28]

After End Turn:

Other Player Actions:
While attacking, Frigate 1 (Seville) (Frigate) decimates Ottoman Caravel (Prob Victory: 99.9%)
While attacking on the high seas near Seville, Frigate 1 (Seville) (7.04/8) defeats Ottoman Caravel (Prob Victory: 99.9%)
While attacking, Privateer 1 (Seville) (Privateer) decimates Russian Caravel (Prob Victory: 90.9%)
While attacking in Russian territory near Yakutsk, Privateer 1 (Seville) (4.08/6) defeats Russian Caravel (Prob Victory: 90.9%)
A Farm was built near Birka
While attacking, Knight decimates Ottoman Longbowman (Prob Victory: 96.2%)
While attacking in Ottoman territory near Samsun, Knight (8.50/10) defeats Ottoman Longbowman (Prob Victory: 96.2%)
Research begun: Music (2 Turns)
50% Research: 488 per turn
0% Culture: 180 per turn
0% Espionage: 49 per turn
50% Gold: -54 per turn, 879 in the bank

After End Turn:
Nidaros finishes: Knight

Other Player Actions:
While defending on the high seas near St. Petersburg, Trireme 1 (Nidaros) loses to Carthaginian Caravel (2.49/3) (Prob Victory: 0.1%)
Attitude Change: Bismarck (Germany) towards Suleiman (Ottomans), from 'Annoyed' to 'Furious'
Attitude Change: Bismarck (Germany) towards Hannibal (Carthage), from 'Annoyed' to 'Furious'
Civics Change: Bismarck(Germany) from 'Mercantilism' to 'Decentralization'
Civics Change: Hannibal(Carthage) from 'Bureaucracy' to 'Vassalage'
Civics Change: Hannibal(Carthage) from 'Organized Religion' to 'Theocracy'

Turn 338 (1590 AD) [07-Aug-2010 08:53:23]
Nidaros begins: Galleon (7 turns)
A Farm was built near Hamburg
50% Research: 490 per turn
0% Culture: 180 per turn
0% Espionage: 49 per turn
50% Gold: -52 per turn, 825 in the bank

After End Turn:
Tech research finished: Music
A Town was built near Izmir
Horse Town finishes: Trading Post
A Town was built near Roskilde
Dortmund finishes: Theatre
Cologne finishes: Theatre

Other Player Actions:
A Mine was destroyed near Cologne

Turn 339 (1595 AD) [07-Aug-2010 08:57:50]
Research begun: Replaceable Parts (6 Turns)
Horse Town begins: Drydock (5 turns)
Dortmund begins: Courthouse (30 turns)
A Cottage was built near Dortmund
While attacking, Cannon decimates Ottoman Longbowman (Prob Victory: 99.4%)
While attacking, Cannon decimates Ottoman Janissary (Prob Victory: 98.6%)
While attacking, Trebuchet 15 (Haithabu) (Cannon) decimates Ottoman Longbowman (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
While attacking, Trebuchet 4 (Nidaros) (Cannon) escapes from Ottoman War Elephant (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
While attacking, Berserker 4 (Nidaros) (Grenadier) decimates Ottoman Pikeman (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
While attacking in Ottoman territory at Ankara, Berserker 4 (Nidaros) (12.00/12) defeats Ottoman Pikeman (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
While attacking, Grenadier decimates Ottoman Longbowman (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
While attacking in Ottoman territory at Ankara, Grenadier (9.96/12) defeats Ottoman Longbowman (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
While attacking, Grenadier decimates Ottoman Janissary (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
While attacking in Ottoman territory at Ankara, Grenadier (12.00/12) defeats Ottoman Janissary (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
While attacking, Knight decimates Ottoman War Elephant (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
While attacking in Ottoman territory at Ankara, Knight (10.00/10) defeats Ottoman War Elephant (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
While attacking, Berserker 1 (Nidaros) (Berserker) decimates Ottoman Longbowman (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
While attacking in Ottoman territory at Ankara, Berserker 1 (Nidaros) (8.00/8) defeats Ottoman Longbowman (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
Captured Ankara (Suleiman)
50% Research: 515 per turn
0% Culture: 197 per turn
0% Espionage: 49 per turn
50% Gold: -45 per turn, 987 in the bank

After End Turn:
A Town was built near Berlin
A Village was built near Samsun

Other Player Actions:
Civics Change: Hatshepsut(Egypt) from 'Decentralization' to 'Mercantilism'

Turn 340 (1600 AD) [07-Aug-2010 09:09:31]
While attacking, Trebuchet escapes from Viking Berserker 9 (Roskilde) (Berserker) (Prob Victory: 38.6%)
While attacking, Cannon decimates Ottoman Longbowman (Prob Victory: 81.3%)
While attacking, Trebuchet 6 (Nidaros) (Cannon) escapes from Ottoman Maceman (Prob Victory: 98.1%)
While attacking, Cannon 1 (Horse Town) (Cannon) decimates Ottoman Longbowman (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
While attacking, War Elephant 2 (Horse Town) (War Elephant) decimates Ottoman Longbowman (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
While attacking in Ottoman territory at Izmir, War Elephant 2 (Horse Town) (8.00/8) defeats Ottoman Longbowman (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
While attacking, Berserker decimates Ottoman Maceman (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
While attacking in Ottoman territory at Izmir, Berserker (8.00/8) defeats Ottoman Maceman (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
While attacking, Knight decimates Ottoman Longbowman (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
While attacking in Ottoman territory at Izmir, Knight (10.00/10) defeats Ottoman Longbowman (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
Captured Izmir (Suleiman)
While attacking, Cannon decimates Ottoman Janissary (Prob Victory: 79.6%)
While attacking, Trebuchet 9 (Nidaros) (Cannon) decimates Ottoman War Elephant (Prob Victory: 94.2%)
While attacking, Trebuchet 8 (Horse Town) (Cannon) decimates Ottoman Longbowman (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
While attacking, Knight decimates Ottoman War Elephant (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
While attacking in Ottoman territory at Ankara, Knight (8.20/10) defeats Ottoman War Elephant (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
While attacking, Berserker 4 (Nidaros) (Grenadier) decimates Ottoman Janissary (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
While attacking in Ottoman territory at Ankara, Berserker 4 (Nidaros) (8.88/12) defeats Ottoman Janissary (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
While attacking, Grenadier decimates Ottoman Longbowman (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
While attacking in Ottoman territory at Ankara, Grenadier (9.96/12) defeats Ottoman Longbowman (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
While attacking, Berserker 1 (Nidaros) (Berserker) decimates Ottoman Trebuchet (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
While attacking in Viking territory at Ankara, Berserker 1 (Nidaros) (7.44/8) defeats Ottoman Trebuchet (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
50% Research: 510 per turn
0% Culture: 191 per turn
0% Espionage: 49 per turn
50% Gold: -46 per turn, 1118 in the bank

After End Turn:
Uppsala finishes: Knight
Berlin finishes: Forge
Samsun finishes: Courthouse

Other Player Actions:
Attitude Change: Bismarck (Germany) towards Catherine (Russia), from 'Annoyed' to 'Furious'
Attitude Change: Bismarck (Germany) towards Suleiman (Ottomans), from 'Furious' to 'Annoyed'

Turn 341 (1605 AD) [07-Aug-2010 09:22:47]
Uppsala begins: Spy (9 turns)
Berlin begins: Library (9 turns)
Samsun begins: Granary (8 turns)
Nidaros finishes: Military Academy
50% Research: 510 per turn
0% Culture: 194 per turn
0% Espionage: 51 per turn
50% Gold: -37 per turn, 1072 in the bank

After End Turn:
Haithabu finishes: Knight
Madrid finishes: Cannon
Hamburg finishes: Knight
A Village was built near Samsun

Other Player Actions:
A Hamlet was built near Samsun
Attitude Change: Bismarck (Germany) towards Suleiman (Ottomans), from 'Annoyed' to 'Furious'

Turn 342 (1610 AD) [07-Aug-2010 09:34:32]
Haithabu begins: Observatory (57 turns)
Madrid begins: Grenadier (14 turns)
Hamburg begins: Observatory (12 turns)
While attacking, Frigate 1 (Seville) (Frigate) decimates Carthaginian Caravel (Prob Victory: 98.5%)
While attacking in Carthaginian territory at Thaenae, Frigate 1 (Seville) (3.92/8) defeats Carthaginian Caravel (Prob Victory: 98.5%)
Frigate 1 (Seville) (Frigate) promoted: Combat I
Frigate 1 (Seville) (Frigate) promoted: Combat II
A Farm was built near Birka
A Farm was built near Dortmund
A Cottage was built near Haithabu
50% Research: 524 per turn
0% Culture: 197 per turn
0% Espionage: 51 per turn
50% Gold: -55 per turn, 1035 in the bank

After End Turn:
Nidaros finishes: Galleon
A Town was built near GP

Other Player Actions:
While defending in Russian territory near Moscow, Privateer 1 (Seville) (3.48/6) defeats Russian Caravel (Prob Victory: 98.7%)
While defending in Russian territory near Moscow, Privateer 1 (Seville) (0.24/6) defeats Russian Galleon (Prob Victory: 29.0%)
While defending in Russian territory near Moscow, Privateer 1 (Seville) loses to Russian Galleon (4.00/4) (Prob Victory: 0.0%)
Attitude Change: Hatshepsut (Egypt) towards Bismarck (Germany), from 'Annoyed' to 'Furious'

Turn 343 (1615 AD) [07-Aug-2010 09:42:34]
Nidaros begins: Galleon (5 turns)
A Mine was destroyed near Stuttgart
While attacking, Knight 7 (Hamburg) (Knight) decimates Ottoman Longbowman (Prob Victory: 96.2%)
While attacking in Ottoman territory at Gaziantep, Knight 7 (Hamburg) (8.50/10) defeats Ottoman Longbowman (Prob Victory: 96.2%)
Knight 7 (Hamburg) (Knight) promoted: Combat I
While attacking, Knight decimates Ottoman Maceman (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
While attacking in Ottoman territory near Samsun, Knight (10.00/10) defeats Ottoman Maceman (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
While attacking, Knight decimates Ottoman Maceman (Prob Victory: 95.9%)
While attacking in Ottoman territory near Samsun, Knight (10.00/10) defeats Ottoman Maceman (Prob Victory: 95.9%)
50% Research: 530 per turn
0% Culture: 195 per turn
0% Espionage: 51 per turn
50% Gold: -49 per turn, 973 in the bank

After End Turn:
Horse Town finishes: Drydock
Seville finishes: Grenadier
A Village was built near Berlin
Diyarbakir finishes: Theatre

Turn 344 (1620 AD) [07-Aug-2010 09:48:53]
Diplomacy (Help Request): Bismarck (Germany) asks LP1 Ragnar (Vikings) for Gunpowder; LP1 Ragnar REFUSES.
Horse Town begins: Ship of the Line (4 turns)
Seville begins: Galleon (5 turns)
Diyarbakir begins: Courthouse (36 turns)
Cannon promoted: City Raider III
While attacking, Cannon escapes from Ottoman Longbowman (Prob Victory: 83.4%)
While attacking, Trebuchet 15 (Haithabu) (Cannon) decimates Ottoman Longbowman (Prob Victory: 92.1%)
While attacking, Trebuchet 8 (Horse Town) (Cannon) escapes from Ottoman Longbowman (Prob Victory: 98.2%)
While attacking in Ottoman territory at Edirne, Trebuchet 8 (Horse Town) loses to Ottoman Longbowman (1.44/6) (Prob Victory: 98.2%)
While attacking, Trebuchet 9 (Nidaros) (Cannon) escapes from Ottoman Janissary (Prob Victory: 95.9%)
While attacking in Ottoman territory at Edirne, Trebuchet 9 (Nidaros) loses to Ottoman Janissary (1.89/9) (Prob Victory: 95.9%)
While attacking, Berserker 4 (Nidaros) (Grenadier) decimates Ottoman Longbowman (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
While attacking in Ottoman territory at Edirne, Berserker 4 (Nidaros) (8.88/12) defeats Ottoman Longbowman (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
While attacking, Knight decimates Ottoman Janissary (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
While attacking in Ottoman territory at Edirne, Knight (10.00/10) defeats Ottoman Janissary (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
While attacking, Grenadier decimates Ottoman Longbowman (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
While attacking in Ottoman territory at Edirne, Grenadier (10.56/12) defeats Ottoman Longbowman (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
While attacking, Grenadier decimates Ottoman Longbowman (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
While attacking in Ottoman territory at Edirne, Grenadier (12.00/12) defeats Ottoman Longbowman (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
Captured Edirne (Suleiman)
A Cottage was built near Diyarbakir
 

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IHT-
Peace with Han
Spoiler :

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micro cities

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RP > MT
rosklide bank>drydock
GP harbor>bank
Frankfurt court>:gold:
Munich court>:gold:
Apply +2EP to Han, +1EP to Cathy
Captured Gazai losing 4 knights

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Moving troops towards Istanbul

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Ask Biz to liberate Hanover and he accepts! >:gold:

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lose privateer
Nidros galleon>drydock>*galleon>*frigate
Horse Town SoL>*privateer>*SoL
Battle for Istanbul
Spoiler :
He upgraded to 5 rifles, dropping defense with spy and cannon damage
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Istanbul is ours! Hindu shrine will help our cause alot.

Otto upgraded to rifles now

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upgrade a lot of CR3 zerks to grenadiers
stack made by Konya

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MT > SM > Comm
Bulb part of SM
Spoiler :
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bombard Konya
slider to 0%

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Cathy demands Const...no
Konya is ours, 1 city left
Switch back to Rifling, SM loses our momastery which is giving +2:gold:,+2:science: combined with a temple that's +4:gold: & +4:science: per city!

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Buirsa is ours
Spoiler :
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Another shrine!

OTTO IS DEAD

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just micro

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upgrade 3 zerks>grenadiers

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zzz

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Rifling > SM

Spoiler map :
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stop here to talk strategy, Cathy just got SM
 

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Good job. I guess I'd recommend a consolidation period. Shore up our infrastructure, build observatories and universities everywhere. Then we can out-tech everyone else to bombers and tanks. Very few style points, but much easier than taking the other continent with grenadiers and galleons.

We could do it, though. I'd be fine if the group decided to declare on Hannibal next turn. Just for the hell of it.

Didn't the Admiral suggest adding a round robin war variant?
 
We still have some NW issues, Oxford, NE still need to be built. I wouldn't declare yet, sure we could take them with the amph grenadiers, just need a fleet to do it.

Rebuild the economy for a about 10t, while having our coastal cities build naval. Then go into full war mode build nothing but units, upgrade knights to cavs. build cavs/cannons/grens while a fleet of 5 frigates, 8-10 galleons, pumping out privateers to wreck havoc on there caravels
 
TBH it would take me over an hour or two to spell out a plan for every city (plus we should really have this game in the bag). In general, we can build Oxford, National Epic, Moai, IW. I would also like to see us switch to US and Free Religion. It will net us about 10-15% extra beakers per turn. Plus we can rush buy in our commerce heavy cities. We should also stall SciMeth for a few turns to build a few Hindu monasteries so that we can spread Hinduism around as Suleiman built the shrine for us. We might as well make use of it. I will hold off on deciding which city to build Oxford in as when we switch out of Bureau it might make things look different for Nidaros. Also Istanbul will come out of revolt and it is looking like it isn't too bad of a city.
In our commerce cities I'll prioritize markets/grocers/banks/harbors(coastal) while also starting to amass a navy.
 
I agree we don't need a detailed plan. Just lay out where you want the NW after the civics change is over.
 
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