Major issues with civilization city-lists and independent power names

[moondog385]

This might just be me, but if they’re going to include a Great Britain civ, that civ should include British not just English city names, regardless of any later plans the devs may have.

They can just change the lists later to avoid confusion. Please, no more of the England = Britain stuff we got in Civ VI.

Maybe. Still, it's weird that they went with the name Great Britain if that would be the case.

Of course, I'd be fine if Scotland sat out this iteration and we get Ireland instead. Ireland is a separate island from Great Britain so there would be no confusion, in my opinion.

I agree that it's weird, but I suspect that's the rationale. Maybe either Scotland or Ireland is going to be in Modern and they wanted to avoid confusion?

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I agree that it's weird, but I suspect that's the rationale. Maybe either Scotland or Ireland is going to be in Modern and they wanted to avoid confusion?

I'd rather either one show up in the Exploration Age. A majority of the of the Modern period is when both were united with England under the United Kingdom. In Scotland's case it's all of it.

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

I'd rather either one show up in the Exploration Age. A majority of the of the Modern period is when both were united with England under the United Kingdom. In Scotland's case it's all of it.

Unless they wanted to put Ireland into a Continuous Easter Rebellion mode and Scotland into the same Pseudo-British Empire Scots of Civ VI, neither fit in Modern.

On the other hand, either could potentially fit into Antiquity or Exploration. The Romans already recognized Ireland as a separate mater from the 'main island , which they called Hibernia/Hibernians, and Celtic and sort of Celtic (Pictish, Caledonian)) groups were already peculiar to the area of Scotland by the end of the Bronze Age.

The only problem is that Gauls also fit best in Antiquity, and that'd too many Celts in one Age, I'm afraid.
Putting Gauls as the 'Antiquity Celts' allows a progression to Irish or Scots in Exploration and, if we don't mind getting all the various Nationalists mad at us, Britain as a progression for either in Modern.

After all, it was the Scot George Bernard Shaw who described Britain as "an island in the North Sea ruled entirely by Scotsmen."

 

[moondog385]

I'd rather either one show up in the Exploration Age. A majority of the of the Modern period is when both were united with England under the United Kingdom. In Scotland's case it's all of it.

I agree, they both work better in Exploration. Yet they have Dublin as a Modern IP, so.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

On the other hand, either could potentially fit into Antiquity or Exploration. The Romans already recognized Ireland as a separate mater from the 'main island , which they called Hibernia/Hibernians, and Celtic and sort of Celtic (Pictish, Caledonian)) groups were already peculiar to the area of Scotland by the end of the Bronze Age.

The only problem is that Gauls also fit best in Antiquity, and that'd too many Celts in one Age, I'm afraid.
Putting Gauls as the 'Antiquity Celts' allows a progression to Irish or Scots in Exploration and, if we don't mind getting all the various Nationalists mad at us, Britain as a progression for either in Modern.

Gauls>Ireland>Great Britain works for me. Save some room for the Anglo-Saxons as the Antiquity British Isle civ.

I agree, they both work better in Exploration. Yet they have Dublin as a Modern IP, so.

Lisbon also exists as a Modern IP, but I'd be surprised if Portugal doesn't eventually appear in Exploration.

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

I agree, they both work better in Exploration. Yet they have Dublin as a Modern IP, so.

Dublin might be a Modern IP and be firmly Irish-associated now, but it was founded by the Vikings in the middle of the Exploration Age in game-time. That means they could warp it into any one of several Age and Civ slots.

I think Dublin (and Lisbon) are examples of IPs that may turn into progenitors of Civs, but very probably not in the same Ages.

On the other hand, Longcheng, a perennially Hostile Antiquity IP, was the capital of the Xiong-nu, the first of the Northern Barbarians to bedevil Han China - I would be ecstatic if they were the forerunner of an Antiquity pastoral Militaristic-Expansionist Xiong-nu Civ!

 

[untitledjuan]

Has Ireland been in a Civ game, other than as a modded leader?

There was a blob Celtic Civilization back in Civ5, they had Boudicca as a leader and Irish, Welsh, Scottish, Breton and Manx cities

 

[Kwami]

What's wrong with having two cities that share a name, though? That's very common in the real world. There are cities in the US called Dover and Warwick and Boston, but those places also exist in England, right? So why not have London and Londinium? They aren't the same city on your map because they're in different empires. They just share a name.