Man-o-war = Crap-o-war

[painkiller]

Here is a good idea. Get rid of the english Man-o-war and give them something decent. The english Man-o-war has to be the most boring UU in the entire game. Along with the american F-15 it also has to be one of the worst UU:s. Why would you build the Crap-o-war when ironclads are just around the corner?

So what should replace it then?

Why not an english rifleman? It could be called something like Imperial soldier and the stats for this unit could be (4/8/1) instead of (4/6/1).

 

[sealman]

The Man-o-War is a fine choice for England's UU. It is just poorly, and I mean that from the heart, implemented.

Other choices could be the longbow or the a modified musketman called the Redcoat or something like that. (instead of your suggested rifleman)

 

[Yuri2356]

I think Civ3 Screwd up the Navy system horribly. After all, why wouldn't a Frigate be replaced by an Ironclad? Or an Ironclad upgrade to a destroyer or cruiser? The only ships that upgrade consistently are the transports! If anything is to be done with the navys, they must improve the upgrade chain! I would be willing to build the Crap-o-war if it would someday be a battleship.

 

[sealman]

I think Civ3 Screwd up the Navy system horribly. After all, why wouldn't a Frigate be replaced by an Ironclad? Or an Ironclad upgrade to a destroyer or cruiser? The only ships that upgrade consistently are the transports! If anything is to be done with the navys, they must improve the upgrade chain! I would be willing to build the Crap-o-war if it would someday be a battleship.

I agree. the upgrade paths need to exist. I mean, if you can convert a galley into a transport, why can you not convert a frigate into an ironclad?

 

[painkiller]

Yes! You should be able upgrade the Man-o-war/ironclad when a better naval unit comes into play. But this is not enough! The english with their great history have a really bad UU.

The Ottoman Sipahi doesn't upgrade but it's still one of the best UU:s in the game. The Persian Immortal upgrades to a guerilla but it's most important when it's an immortal.

Whenever I see an immortal I feel a sense of respect but when I see a Man-o-war I just think: What the **** is that? Then ofcourse I bomb it or whatever just to destroy it!

 

[Colonel]

Been Done, All they have to do is fix naval combat and that naval age where the Man O War was in, the age lasted a couple centruies yet it seems like it takes up a MINOR portation of the game

 

[Stid]

i reakon the man-o-war is cool but not as effective as it could be i guess.i for one dont even research ironclads as i hardly build a navy come to think of it.unless they fix the naval concept for civ4 id go for the british SAS

 

[Loppan Torkel]

It's a lot better now when the Ironclad discovery is in a sidetrack.
Do you always research that path? If you dont the sailships will last pretty long.

And please no specialtroops. The Man-o-War is fine by me...

 

[painkiller]

I agree. No specialtroops. If the english get SAS then the americans should get Navy seals and the russian = Spetznaz and finally the swedish special unit would be the fjaeljagare. But then the swedish are not in the game so they wouldn't get a thing...

 

[cockroach]

The Man-Of-War or more correctly 1st/2nd/3rd/4th rate ship of the line is realy more of a generic European unit rather than a specifically British one. It realy should be like the battleship in the Industrial age i.e. avalible in addition to and with a lot more attack and defense than the frigate.

 

[bingen]

The Man-O-War is pretty awesome in Conqusets though. It dominates the sea and then it bombards the enemy to oblivion. The Age of Sail is also lengthened in Conquests.

 

[NP300]

You can fix the manowar by modding the game.

I changed the attack/defense/moves/bombardment for most of my naval units.

I make the frigates/manowar upgrade to ironclads, which upgrade to cruisers.

I also modified the tech tree for the medieval era such that caravels become available earlier, and frigates become available earlier.

I made these changes:

[
Astronomy requires Invention only.
Navigation now requires Astronomy only.
Physics now requires Magnetism in place of Astronomy, and still requires chemistry.
Navigation is therefore no longer an optional advance.
Magnetism now requires Navigation and Education in place of Physics.
]

I set it such that "trade over ocean squares" is made available only by magnetism, and not by navigation.

The end result is that there is a caravel era, a frigate era and an ironclad era. Note that I am playing vanilla so ironclads become available with steam engine.

Now, if you give the manowar the "blitz" and the "zone of control" it becomes very powerful because it can bombard several times in one turn.

 

[douche_bag]

man-o-war is a good uu,so is the f-15,but it just seems like the game only concentrated mostly on land combat.I rarley see the ai build naval power ships,just transports,and for air ive never seen them once build fighters,just bombers.So the f-15 dosent really have much to compete with,same as the man o war.

 

[sealman]

man-o-war is a good uu,so is the f-15,but it just seems like the game only concentrated mostly on land combat.I rarley see the ai build naval power ships,just transports,and for air ive never seen them once build fighters,just bombers.So the f-15 dosent really have much to compete with,same as the man o war.

What level do you play on. I always see the AI with pretty good sized navies and at least 2 fighters in some cities. I spend most of my time playing monarch/emperor.

 

[painkiller]

Yes. What level do you play on Douche_bag. On emperor+ the AI always have fighters in their cities along with navies sailing the seas.

 

[thestonesfan]

England needs an age of sail naval UU, and while the name is a bit off, I think it's a good choice for them. I don't know what exactly you'd call it.

Longbowmen really don't represent their golden age. Some Colonial Rifleman might be cool, but there are so many land UU's it's nice to have a seagoing one for once.

They just need to make the naval aspect of the game more important, which I'm sure they will, since that is probably the all-time #1 complaint for Civ3.

 

[sir_schwick]

The easy way to make Man-O'-War useful is to give it the same or better stats then Ironclads. This means that even with Ironclads, the Man-O'-War is useful until Destroyers.

 

[Jake5555555]

The problem is really that civ ignores the entire period in which man-o-wars were used, after in the american revolution we didn't have rifles, but mideavel infantry weren't in use either.

 

[Dreadnought]

See, UUs are put in the game when the civ's golden age was. The Man-o-War was from the late 1700s/early 1800s (see battle of trafalger) and were used up to the 1860s, when ironclads became dominant. The 19th Century (from when the Man-o-War is from) was called The British Century. Likewise, Rome's Legionairre was from when Rome was at the height of its power, Hoplites were from Greece's golden age, etc., etc. So the Man-o-War is a good choice.

Another good choice would be the Scottish Highlander. Takes place of rifleman. 6/6/1, same aount of shields.

 

[kevincompton]

The man of war is awesome, but poorly implimented. The age of sails should be more significant in which case a man o war would be important. When i think Britain, I think naval power of her golden age!