Mandatory drug and STD infection testing before intimacy

[The Yankee]

Aha, good show. Still, whatever the rates for catching HIV, there are still a million and one other things that you could be dipping yourself into (I know, horrible imaging there). Don't ever want to risk the one in a X chance, then don't play the game.

 

[Pasi Nurminen]

Absolutely, anyone with an ounce of self respect wears a condom when boinking. The only situation where not wearing a condom is appropriate is when one is already married and both husband and wife are actively trying to have a child.

 

[mdwh]

Absolutely, anyone with an ounce of self respect wears a condom when boinking. The only situation where not wearing a condom is appropriate is when [they are both] actively trying to have a child.

Fixed that for you.

Though what about when both have been tested?

 

[Merkinball]

So if you're not one to trust in condoms or other paraphernalia that may reduce the risk of transmission, then only engage in long-term relationships and don't be like those people running around Djibouti looking to "score." Maybe then, you could do the tests and have the trust and it'll be a bit more foolproof than hauling condoms and such wherever you go. - Yankee

Well...yeah...duh.

But it'd be very hard to have your cake and eat it too; wanting to get with people yet needing documentation about their cleanliness (which could still not reflect the real situation as many of those take months to detect). - Yankee

I'm conservative. First comes talk. Then comes getting to know someone. Then comes the entire getting to trust phase, then comes the next level. The shortest I've gone with a girl before boinking is...prolly four months. I don't play the rebound guy game. Again, in all my relationships we've gone to the clinic, together. I've never had any objections, and all my college girls wanted the tests done as much as I did.

It's not about trusting what she did. It's trusting her when she says she's got tested. It doesn't matter whether her previous partners were trustworthy or not. - mdwh

What's the big deal if I'm there getting it done too? When was the last time she had it done? It's not like it hurts. It's not like it's expensive. It's a freagin piece of mind.

The point being argued against is the idea that you would not trust your partner if she'd said she'd been tested - that you'd require written proof, or even accompany her to make sure she'd done it, and see the test being performed. - mdwh

Where did I say anything about written proof? And the only reason I'd be accomanying is because I'd be getting tested too.

Naturally, no sources cited. First rule of the internet: when making controversial claims, don't bother citing sources, it isn't necessary. - PASI

Oh, I'm sorry, I thought every recieved top notch sex-ed and that this was common knowledge. I probably even lowballed.

one in four teenagers contracts an STD each year.

http://www.4woman.gov/pypth/articles/aa_std_be_responsible.html

Let's go one step further, somewhat unrelated, but also sobering.

Thirty-one percent of young women become pregnant at least once before they reach the age of 20

http://www.teenpregnancy.org/resources/data/genlfact.asp

You do know that HIV carries a transmission rate of 50 per 10,000 exposures assuming unprotected vaginal sex, right? These are scientific facts, not ignorance. It's a fact that any one exposure with HIV only transmits .5% of the time. - Pasi

This is utterly laughable. This basically says, that theoretically, you should only contract AIDS after sleeping with someone with the AIDS virus 200 times. Again, an absolute joke a statistic. If this was the case, Africa wouldn't have millions upon millions of people with AIDS. Entire generations wiped out...

have only seen one report where a researcher estimated the risk of infection in a single act of unprotected intercourse. Their estimates were that in a single act of vaginal intercourse, the chances of HIV passing from male-to-female is 0.1% to 20%, and from female-to-male, 0.01% to 10% (Source: K.M. Stone, HIV, STD's, and other Barriers. In Barrier Contraceptives, Current Status and Future Prospects, 1994).

Seriously. Why use a condom?

There you go! Right there, you're insinuating that all women are diseased sluts who have slept with a million men and are untrustworthy. - Pasi

I'm scratchin' my head here. I don't if you don't know how to read, or selectively quoted. In fact, I'm a little curious as to how you came up that I said all women are diseased sluts too. You see, I did say that the average number of partners for women, are exactly the same as the average number of partners of men. I guess you failed to read that part. So how you could read chauvanism into it is beyond me.

This is patently untrue. As long as they are being used properly, and it is bewildering how many people don't know how to use one (ie, you), condoms manufactured and sold in the west rarely break. - Pasi

Nice personal attack. Bravo. But uh, even the most well manufactured condoms have breakage rates of about 1%. And again, I don't know what how lively your sex life is, but in my experience, that translates into what results into the definitive result of a defective condom.

To me, 1% isn't a "barely breaking."

You left out the part where I said "you didn't say it but you strongly implied it," and you have. You're implying that all women are diseased sluts. - Pasi

Oh yeah, again, how's that. Go reaching for a rainbow if you will.

 

[El_Machinae]

I don't get why mono was mentioned up there?

 

[Pasi Nurminen]

Oh, I'm sorry, I thought every recieved top notch sex-ed and that this was common knowledge. I probably even lowballed.

one in four teenagers contracts an STD each year.

http://www.4woman.gov/pypth/articles/aa_std_be_responsible.html

You manage to completely miss the point. I've repeatedly stated that I do not advocate running around and boinking anything that moves. I have stated that everyone should always wear a condom. You're going to have to provide some more context: were these people not wearing condoms? Most STDs can indeed be prevented by the use of a condom.

Please go back and re-read my point: wear a condom, but don't be paranoid. Insisting on an STD test before you have sex with anyone is indeed paranoia, and a sign that you're incapable of trusting anyone.

Answer me this: are you a virgin? The answer to that question (ie. yes) will explain a lot. You've obviously never had any casual sex in your life, and probably none at all, but I'd like to know more.

Thirty-one percent of young women become pregnant at least once before they reach the age of 20

http://www.teenpregnancy.org/resources/data/genlfact.asp

What does pregnancy have to do with anything we've discussed? We're talking about STDs.

This is utterly laughable. This basically says, that theoretically, you should only contract AIDS after sleeping with someone with the AIDS virus 200 times. Again, an absolute joke a statistic. If this was the case, Africa wouldn't have millions upon millions of people with AIDS. Entire generations wiped out...

I've already outlined a couple of reasons why AIDS is so prevalent in poorer Africa as opposed to here, and I guess I'm going to have to outline them again.

1) Rape. Up to 30% of AIDS sufferers in Africa contracted it by being raped, when it's far easier to contract the disease since no condom is being used. Also, during rape the woman is not aroused, and thus does not self lubricate nor loosen up vaginally, which results in tearing of the vaginal wall, opening up infection directly into the bloodstream. Under these circumstances, it's far easier to transmit.

2) Blood transfusions.

3) Unsanitary medical practices at hospitals all across the continent including the use of dirty/contaminated needles.

4) A complete lack of AIDS/sexual education, as opposed to the Western world.

have only seen one report where a researcher estimated the risk of infection in a single act of unprotected intercourse. Their estimates were that in a single act of vaginal intercourse, the chances of HIV passing from male-to-female is 0.1% to 20%, and from female-to-male, 0.01% to 10% (Source: K.M. Stone, HIV, STD's, and other Barriers. In Barrier Contraceptives, Current Status and Future Prospects, 1994).

You have presented a book that I cannot obtain, I have presented a website that you can view. My source is from 2002, yours is from 1994. Find another biased source.

A google search for Kent Stone revealed that he's a patent counsel at NASA.

Seriously. Why use a condom?

Uhhh...

I'm scratchin' my head here. I don't if you don't know how to read, or selectively quoted. In fact, I'm a little curious as to how you came up that I said all women are diseased sluts too. You see, I did say that the average number of partners for women, are exactly the same as the average number of partners of men. I guess you failed to read that part. So how you could read chauvanism into it is beyond me.

You said that every woman you meet you find suspicious of her sexual health because of the numerous partners she's had in the past. This whole thread reeks of misogyny.

Nice personal attack. Bravo. But uh, even the most well manufactured condoms have breakage rates of about 1%. And again, I don't know what how lively your sex life is, but in my experience, that translates into what results into the definitive result of a defective condom.

To me, 1% isn't a "barely breaking."

Actually it's about .4%, well within an acceptable risk.

Source: http://www.youngwomenshealth.org/malecontraceptives1.html

Oh yeah, again, how's that. Go reaching for a rainbow if you will.

You make no sense.

 

[Pasi Nurminen]

I don't get why mono was mentioned up there?

An attempt to divert the subject, which mono has no bearing on since it isn't an STD.

He may as well try to justify requiring legal documentation that you don't have influenza for going out in public.

 

[mdwh]

What's the big deal if I'm there getting it done too? When was the last time she had it done? It's not like it hurts. It's not like it's expensive. It's a freagin piece of mind.

I honestly can't see how that relates to what I said? Where did I suggest that getting tested isn't a good idea? I didn't. In fact, I explictly said it was a good thing. I've said this repeatedly, but you seem insistent on ignoring what anyone says, and instead argue with your strawman.

Where did I say anything about written proof? And the only reason I'd be accomanying is because I'd be getting tested too.

The OP talked about written proof. The OP is the one who suggested he'd accompany for the purpose of making sure she did it. That is what people are responding to. Please read what this thread is about, rather than trying to turn this into a strawman argument of whether getting tested is a good idea. No one seems to have anything against testing.