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Does anyone know where I could find a map of the United States with modern day borders and the original 13 colonies?
Map of America
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aronnax
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Thanks but I need them on the same map without current state borders. It's looking like I'll have to draw them manually.
aronnax
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Well in that case this is best I can give you
America, No State borders, No Modern National Borders and the modern successors to the 13 original English Colonies
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Thanks that is exactly what I was looking for. 
I'm assuming north isn't directly up.
I'm assuming north isn't directly up.
aronnax
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May I ask why?
DBear
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The map in post #4 is inaccurate. West Virginia was part of Virginia until the American Civil War.
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American History Homework. I have to make a map of it with modern day borders, original 13 colonies. Pacific and Atlantic Oceans (easy). Indicate the direction and and distance to Britain and compare the size of it to Spain, UK and Australia.
aronnax
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well I just assumed because not much of west virginia can be seen here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Map_of_territorial_growth_1775.jpg
Provolution
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The original 13 colonies had different state borders than the present descendant states. Please compare this to old maps. West Virginia is one of them.
Alabama and Georgia was also smaller.
Alabama and Georgia was also smaller.
Evie
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Vermont arguably shouldn't be included either, since it sort of existed in limbo from 1777 to 1791.
Traitorfish
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Found one.
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Notice that the western borders of many colonies are closer to the coast than they currently are. Also, Western Virginia and Maine were not yet states, still being part of Virginia and Massachusetts, respectively, and the area which would become Vermont- which, as Oda said, was not admitted to the union until 1791- is partially claimed by New York.
Edit: Wait, Aronnax already linked that one... Ah, well, whatever.
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Notice that the western borders of many colonies are closer to the coast than they currently are. Also, Western Virginia and Maine were not yet states, still being part of Virginia and Massachusetts, respectively, and the area which would become Vermont- which, as Oda said, was not admitted to the union until 1791- is partially claimed by New York.
Edit: Wait, Aronnax already linked that one... Ah, well, whatever.
Evie
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Claimed by New York, claimed by New Hampshire, and effectively self-administered as the Republic of Vermont.
Really if not for New York refusing to recognize reality when they saw it, we might well talk about fourteen states today, as Vermont would probably have signed the constitution earlier than some of the thirteen (heck, they already signed it less than a year after Rhodes Island).
Really if not for New York refusing to recognize reality when they saw it, we might well talk about fourteen states today, as Vermont would probably have signed the constitution earlier than some of the thirteen (heck, they already signed it less than a year after Rhodes Island).
West Virginia, Maine, and Vermont are all states whose territory was part of the original 13 but which didn't actually become states until later. So they should all be included.
Evie
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I disagree on Vermont. The other two are clear cut ; there was no dispute as to whether they were part of Massachussetts/Virginia prior to achieving statehood, and especially at the time their respective states formally joined the union.
Vermont, on the other hand, had declared formal independance from New York in 1777, ie, before NY ever formally ratified the constitution. While this does not make them an independant nation (as others have claimed), it certainly means (since that independance from NY was eventually recognized de jure when Vermont was allowed to sign the constitution as a full state) that simply saying "they were part of the thirteen revolted colonies as a part of New York" is not really accurate either. Maybe very briefly (ie, 1776-1777), but...
Personally, if I had to do the homework, I would use three colors : one for the present thirteen states corresponding (by name) to the thirteen colonies ; another for the two states that were split off from the original thirteen in the 19th century (WV and Maine), and the final one for Vermont, with a note explaining that Vermont declared independence from New York very early in the revolution, but that the other states (mostly New York) took several years to acknowledge that fact.
Vermont, on the other hand, had declared formal independance from New York in 1777, ie, before NY ever formally ratified the constitution. While this does not make them an independant nation (as others have claimed), it certainly means (since that independance from NY was eventually recognized de jure when Vermont was allowed to sign the constitution as a full state) that simply saying "they were part of the thirteen revolted colonies as a part of New York" is not really accurate either. Maybe very briefly (ie, 1776-1777), but...
Personally, if I had to do the homework, I would use three colors : one for the present thirteen states corresponding (by name) to the thirteen colonies ; another for the two states that were split off from the original thirteen in the 19th century (WV and Maine), and the final one for Vermont, with a note explaining that Vermont declared independence from New York very early in the revolution, but that the other states (mostly New York) took several years to acknowledge that fact.
sabo
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Could somebody please name these states.
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