March 14th Update

[Aeson]

We have 22 new games that made the Civilization III HOF with this update!

DaveMcW gave us our first glimpse of the new C3C Deity category, showing that the Aztecs are still very capable even when paying 15 shields per Jag. boogaboo continued his Aztec reign of terror with 8 submissions taking the top two slots in Chieftain-Emperor for both High Score and Fastest Conquests on Small maps.

3 new Monarch Huge submissions, from fret, Svar, and Muldoon entered the list at 3rd, 6th, and 7th places respectively in the highest Score category. Zimeena added another milked game in Warlord division to claim 2nd highest Huge map score, and superslug pulled off a pacifist milking victory that came in 5th highest Huge map score on Chieftain.

Cultural 20k victories were plentiful, especially at Chieftain. jmarc submitted the fastest Warlord and the second fastest Chieftain victories in that category. Svar's Chieftain victory is the fastest Cultural 20k submitted so far, also submitting the 5th fastest. Takeo rounds out the submissions with two Chieftain submissions. His Cultural 20k which claims 4th fastest, and the fastest Spaceship launch.

Well played

C3C Deity:

DaveMcW -1450 24791 Conquest Victory Aztec C3C 1.15b Tiny

Emperor:

boogaboo -2470 22758 Conquest Victory Aztec PtW 1.27f Small
boogaboo -1910 19982 Conquest Victory Aztec PtW 1.27f Small

Monarch:

fret 2050 30765 Domination Victory America Civ 1.29f Huge
Svar 2050 27288 Cultural 100k Victory Maya C3C 1.15b Huge
Muldoon 2050 26214 Domination Victory China C3C 1.15b Huge
boogaboo -2470 18231 Conquest Victory Aztec PtW 1.27f Small
boogaboo -2310 17595 Conquest Victory Aztec PtW 1.27f Small

Regent:

boogaboo -3200 15813 Conquest Victory Aztec PtW 1.27f Small
boogaboo -2850 14793 Conquest Victory Aztec PtW 1.27f Small
jmarc 1862 614 Cultural 20k Victory Babylon C3C 1.12b Small

Warlord:

Zimeena 2050 12800 Histographic Victory America Civ 1.29f Huge
boogaboo -3250 10648 Conquest Victory Aztec PtW 1.27f Small
boogaboo -3100 10345 Conquest Victory Aztec PtW 1.27f Small

Chieftain:

superslug 2050 6874 Domination Victory Maya C3C 1.15b Huge
boogaboo -3400 5467 Conquest Victory Aztec PtW 1.27f Small
boogaboo -3350 5419 Conquest Victory Aztec PtW 1.27f Small
Takeo 1315 1505 Spaceship Victory Korea PtW 1.21f Standard
Svar 1640 1339 Cultural 20k Victory Maya C3C 1.15b Tiny
Svar 1832 1223 Cultural 20k Victory Maya C3C 1.15b Tiny
Takeo 1826 825 Cultural 20k Victory Scandinavia PtW 1.21f Tiny
jmarc 1764 657 Cultural 20k Victory Babylon C3C 1.12b Tiny

 

[superslug]

Good heavens, boogaboo! I knew you were tearing things up, bug this I had no idea you were going quite this nuts!

Congratulations to everyone else, too, especially DaveMcW for his groundbreaking game!

 

[boogaboo]

happy!!!!!!!!!!
At last the HoF was updated (10 submissions for me, not 8..)!
Good luck for all who made it, including myself..

Aeson.. the HoF seems a bit bugged -
When I want only "tiny" or "small" results, it still shows other sizes. This is because of the demigod/deity insertion to the DB, I think..

And, McW, I salute u, until I beat u!!!

 

[Aeson]

Thanks for pointing that out boogaboo, should be working right now.

 

[boogaboo]

Now everything looks well .... until I looked at {PTW deity , small} -
The DaveMcW record is missing..
Funny, since it is exactly the one I'm now trying to break..

Everything else seems ok to me, though.

 

[Aeson]

DaveMcW has two Deity games listed (PtW, C3C), both Tiny mapsize.

 

[boogaboo]

nop...
He has a small PTW deity game I'm trying to beat.
That is why it so happens that I even have the zip I downloaded when his record was there..

Here it is...

 

[Aeson]

Ok, it must be one of the games from before I took over as admin. Those games weren't checked for mapsize, version, or date of victory and so it doesn't show up.

 

[boogaboo]

So.... you're saying that his previous record is invalid, and is not in the HoF???

I remember it was PTW 1.27, small, vs. 3 AI, etc..
This is surely a very good HoF record, perhaps your utilities could tell its' validity?

mmmmmm....

 

[Aeson]

I'm just saying that they don't show up correctly until the games have been checked for the missing data. They are 'in' the HOF but only as Name, Score, Condition, Civ. There are a lot of games of this nature and I just haven't gotten around to checking them out.

 

[boogaboo]

okok..

 

[zerksees]

Originally posted by Aeson
I'm just saying that they don't show up correctly until the games have been checked for the missing data. They are 'in' the HOF but only as Name, Score, Condition, Civ. There are a lot of games of this nature and I just haven't gotten around to checking them out.

Well - I am not sure what changed but it was there the day before your March 14 update. I am playing a game in that category (deity small) as well, so I have been looking at it as well.

 

[Darkness]

Congrats to all who made it on the lists!

 

[Aeson]

I have updated the script so that games without a version listing will be assumed Civ/PtW version and listed as such.

 

[Ronald]

One short question about deity / demigod: I thought that deity was the same difficulty in all versions (civ3, ptw and c3c) and demigod was a level in between emperor and deity to make the gap between these levels smaller.
In the last update I saw that demigod is equivalent to the old deity and the new deity is harder. Is that correct?

Ronald

 

[superslug]

Originally posted by Ronald
In the last update I saw that demigod is equivalent to the old deity and the new deity is harder. Is that correct?

Yes. C3C Deity and Sid levels are ranked independently from all else.

 

[Darkness]

Originally posted by Ronald
One short question about deity / demigod: I thought that deity was the same difficulty in all versions (civ3, ptw and c3c) and demigod was a level in between emperor and deity to make the gap between these levels smaller.
In the last update I saw that demigod is equivalent to the old deity and the new deity is harder. Is that correct?

Ronald

I thought this too.
Is there anyone around who can give a definitive answer on this?

 

[boogaboo]

I think when I looked at the editor both deity looked the same..
Perhaps the settlers from huts won't pop.

In the HoF it's a matter of scoring, where deity is the 6th level in Civ/PTW and 7th in C3C.
So, categorically it is correct to order the scoring like that, realistically only sometimes, but I can't see a better solution either.

 

[superslug]

Boogaboo's right, the decision is correct from the standpoint of scoring multiplier. III/PTW Deity had a factor of 6, which is now for C3C's Demigod.

How this will stack up playwise can only be determined by filling up the slots and giving Aeson evidence to decide one way or another, but for now, it is as he posted in the HOF rules thread...

 

[Darkness]

If it's just the scoring, why can't the vanilla civ3 and PTW scores be recalculated, like multiplying them by 7/6 to just make one category for deity on the HoF? Or am I just thinking to simplistic here?