mb2-a space oddity

[TedJackson]

19 Caravels?

I'll look at it and play tomorrow.


regards

Ted

 

[a space oddity]

Hmmm, I did not sign any MA for gpt, the Greeks *payed* us gpt for Democracy and an MA. I guess that will hurt your rep too. I should have just given them Demo for the MA straight. I told you those where not my best turns, sorry Mad. I also knew I left you in a very difficult situation... so don't feel bad, you wanted this to be a challenge, no?

 

[mad-bax]

19 Caravels and a catapult. Should come in handy
We also have a fortress a couple of tiles from the capital....which is nice. Never Seen one before.

I really have trouble working out what constitutes a broken gpt deal and what doesn't. Nothing I've ever read has been completely correct. I am fine with getting an *attitude* hit for breaking an MA. It's correct. But If I am being paid gpt for an MA the AI loses nothing if I break it so I should not get a *rep* hit for that. I should certainly be able to pay gpt in trades. I am going to go through the turn logs to try to get to the bottom of it. I am really cheesed off.

It certainly wasn't you fault Space, it was mine.

 

[TedJackson]

Pre-flight checks... OK

Pre-turn
Bursa switches to Market and hurries for 216gp (Palace site?)
Istanbul switches to Market
Bengal switches to Market
Hyderabad switches to Market
Najran switches to Cathedral
Baghdad switches to Granary
Bukhara switches to Granary
Lagash fires 2 clowns
Hawk WM for loose change (150gp or so)

Tech Status
Babylon, India way behind
Greece, Mongolia, Korea, Iroquois, Persia down ToG, Mag
Egypt, Scandinavia, Aztec on par

Press button...

IBT
Mongols & Greece sign Peace Treaty
Bursa Market - Bank
Mosul Granary - Cathedral

1 - 1280AD
Antalya hurries Palace
Upgrade 7 Caravels
Start redeploying troops:
Detachment of Ansar head for Aleppo
Squad of Ansar set sail for Kish (Greece)
MM Medina to get Smith's in 4 turns rather than 5

IBT
Baghdad Granary - Worker (0 growth)
Yamama Granary - Worker
Mansura Granary - Worker (pop limit)
Antalya Palace - Market

2 - 1285AD
Now making +666gpt
Aydab switches to Market (happiness)
Shuffle troops
Merw switches to Market (happiness)
All quiet on the trading floor

IBT
Renew Spices deal with Scaninavia
Damascus Cathedral - Worker (pop limit)
Baghdad Worker - Library (culture)
Yamama Worker - Library (culture)
Uruk Temple - Bank
Bukhara Granary - Worker (pop limit)
Samarra Temple - Market
Knoya Worker - Market
Taif Court - Worker (pop limit)
"We love the Caliph" breaks out all over

3 - 1290AD
Aleppo is hosting 14 Ansars
3 Ansars take up posts along the Greek border
Jungle clearance & road building proceeds slowly...
Greece has a monopoly on Medicine and won't sell it at any price

IBT
Damascus Worker - Lib (culture)
Najran Cathedral - Worker (pop limit)
Ellipi Worker - Court
Kufah Cathedral - Lib (culture)
Aden Granary - Lib (culture)
Mansura Worker - Lib
Korea starts Newton's
Greece starts Newton's
Reykjavik completes Smith's - we're 1 turn shy!

4 - 1295AD
Medina switches to Newton's (wasting 183 shields)
4 Ansars land on Greece and take up posts along Ggreek border
Ansars head toward Palace
Workers work...
Greece, Aztecs & Scandinavia now have Medicine - price still over 2000gp so I wait

IBT
Mecca Colosseum - Court
Babylon Temple - Court
Medina completes Newton's - Worker (pop limit)
Najran Worker - Lib (culture)
Bukhara Worker - Lib (culture)
Balkh Aqueduct - Market
Hama Aqueduct - Market

5 - 1300AD
New Baghdad founded - Temple
Stack of Ansar SW of Medina
Stack of Ansar W of Bayt Ras
Workers work...
Bayt Ras hurries Lib for 124 gp
Greece & Egypt have Medicine & Nationalism - won't sell Nationalism
Attempt to steal Nationalism from Greece (2998gp) - success
Revolution!

IBT
Bayt Ras Lib - Aqueduct
Democracy - we went from +599gpt to +631gpt

6 - 1305AD
Small stack of Ansar NW of Ibizia
Sell Nationalism to Scandinavia for WM, TM, Medicine + 57gp + 5gpt
Sell ToG to Persia for WM, TM, 37gp + 13gpt

IBT
Greece asks for RoP - tell him to get lost
Aztec ask for RoP - tell him to get lost too
Persia & Korea sign Peace Treaty
Persia wants to renew Saltpetre deal - no thanks
Medina Worker - Lib
Anjar Cathedral - Lib
Taif Worker - Market

7 - 1310AD
Workers work...
Hawk WM for loose change

IBT
Nimrud Cannon - Worker (0 growth)

8 - 1315AD
Stack of Ansar NE of Antalya
Workers work...
Hawk WM for loose change

IBT
Persia wants RoP - No thanks

9 - 1320AD
Workers work...
2 Galleons at Shiraz
Korea has Steam Power - wants WM + 2480gp
Persia has Steam - wants Medicine, WM + 1000gp
Egypt has Steam - wants WM + 2600gp
I guess I'll buy from Persia

IBT
Damascus Lib - Worker (pop limit)
Khurasan Colosseum - Lib (culture)
Fustat Colosseum - Worker (pop limit)
Muscat Rifle - Lib
Jaipur Harbour - Aqueduct
We get Ironworks message - Antalya
Dacca Barracks - MArket

10 - 1325AD
Workers start railing...
Hawk WM for loose change


Notes
I think we should stay in builder mode until we've railed our territory
We need lots more workers to rail our territory - keep an eye out for when cities reach their pop limit or are at zero growth.
There are 2 Galleons in Shiraz, 2 in Ur, 2 in Basra, 2 in Najran, 1 in Kish & 4 Caravels in Muscat. There are a couple more Caravels dotted around.
I stationed some Ansars along the Greek border (just in case) and moved the rest to cover most of our main continent.
I managed to steal another tech - from Greece this time
We were beaten to Smith's by 1 turn - Medina wasn't optimised for max shields. I managed to shave 1 turn off at the beginning on my turn but it wasn't enough
I haven't upgraded anything other than Caravels - I thought this could wait until we had a real need for Cavalry.
I mostly irrigated after clearing to get the towns up in size as quickly as possible.
Antalya is ready for Ironworks after the Market.
We are on par or ahead on tech with everyone.

The save is > here < (zipped)



Ted

 

[a space oddity]

Good progress Ted. What a shame about Smith's , but hey that's civ.

We have our second core. [dance] And Ironworks in our future.

 

[TedJackson]

Originally posted by a space oddity
We have our second core. [dance]

At last

Originally posted by a space oddity
And Ironworks in our future.

I nearly decided to make Bursa the new capital until I spotted the Iron & Coal at Antalya


Ted

 

[mad-bax]

Well we are certainly on our way.

Ted:When I played my set I found that a fast, high risk tech steal was 1 - 200g cheaper than just buying it. I'm surprised you were willing to risk our fledgling democracys peaceful status on a tech steal. I always thought that it was only worth it for a monopoly tech that you must have like for an SS part or the UN or Scientific method or such. Great job as always though, and I always preferred Antalya as the palace site.

Hooray you're next in the jungle chopping rotation.

 

[TedJackson]

Originally posted by mad-bax
Ted:When I played my set I found that a fast, high risk tech steal was 1 - 200g cheaper than just buying it. I'm surprised you were willing to risk our fledgling democracys peaceful status on a tech steal. I always thought that it was only worth it for a monopoly tech that you must have like for an SS part or the UN or Scientific method or such. Great job as always though, and I always preferred Antalya as the palace site.

You could well be right about the savings MB but then I wouldn't have the thrill of pressing the button to see if I'd stolen a tech or started a war


Ted

 

[Hooray]

Okay, I got it!

I hope I don't have to just chop jungle, heh. It would be nice to start laying down some railroads, too.

 

[Hooray]

I had intended to play a full 10 turns, but I've suddenly come down with a nasty flu. I have a hard time just breathing right now, so Civ is a bit hard to play for me at the moment.
So I only have 5 turns.

Pre-turn: Yay, I'm glad to see that we're not at war for once.

1330 AD: Aztecs and Persia sign peace treaty.
Mecca Courthouse -> Worker, Medina Library -> Palace (ToE prebuild, maybe?)
Damascus Worker -> Courthouse, Fustat Worker -> Worker, Nimrud Worker -> Market.

1335: Greece and Persia sign peace treaty.
Mecca Worker -> Worker, Baghdad Library -> Colosseum, Fustat Worker-> Courthouse
Yamama Library -> Worker, Kolhapur Courthouse -> Market
Antalya Market -> Iron Works!, Mosul Cathedral -> Colosseum
Upgrade a few Pikes here and there to improve defense.

1340: Mecca Worker -> Library, Kufah Library -> Worker, Basra Colosseum -> Worker
Yamama Worker -> Worker, Bengal Market -> Courthouse, New Damascus Temple -> Market.

1345: Persia and Viks sign peace. Babs and Iroquois sign peace. Mongols and Iroquois sign peace.
Nineveh Courthouse -> Bank, Najran Library ->Worker, Kufah Worker -> Colosseum
Basra Worker -> Worker, Aden Library -> Worker, Yamama Library -> Colosseum
Fez Market -> Courthouse, Merw Market -> Courthouse, Kish Harbor -> Courthouse.

1350: India and Persia sign peace treaty.
Najran Worker -> Courthouse, Basra Worker -> Cathedral
Uskudar Aqueduct -> market, Aden Worker -> Worker, Mansura Library -> Colosseum

Iron Works is due in 10, by the way. You can MM it up to 9 if you want, but that would slow the city's growth.

Here's the save:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/mb2_1350_AD.SAV

 

[mad-bax]

Hooray, I hope you feel better soon.

vbraun: you are UP!

 

[a space oddity]

I looked at the save, we in great shape. Hooray , I can imagine a cold doesn't help with all those cities to manage

We might want to switch some corrupt cities to worker production only. We still need a lot of them. This game is going to get one hell of a Firaxis score...

 

[vbraun]

Got it I'll probably play it sometime today.

Originaly posted by a space oddity
We might want to switch some corrupt cities to worker production only. We still need a lot of them. This game is going to get one hell of a Firaxis score...

You can say that again.

 

[Brewster]

At last we have our second core up and running. After some improvements, they should be able to pump out the shields.

I breathed a sigh of relief when I discovered we finally got that elusive GL (how many battles did it take?) to rush our palace. I became elated when I discovered we could build the Iron Works there too. We now have this game well in hand. Our biggest problem may be purchasing/stealing the techs we need to build the SS.

Keep it rollin' vbraun.

 

[a space oddity]

Actually there was a good chance we would get the IW there, see my post

Don't you just love it when a prediction comes true?

 

[mad-bax]

I'm bumping this, just to remind vbraun that his turnlog is overdue...

 

[vbraun]

I've been really busy so you can skip me.

 

[mad-bax]

Brewster: You are UP.

 

[mad-bax]

In an effort to get this particular ball rolling again I am going to enforce the 24hr "got it" clause and skip Brewster on this rotation.

Space: you are now UP.

 

[a space oddity]

OK, got it.