Message to Firaxis

[-proletarian-]

Erm, "Higher Game".....the Turks almost conquered Europe. Does that sound like a bunch of nomads to you?

Ignorance is so amusing.

 

[TETurkhan]

I agree with you "Cracker", of course aside from the graphics and UU's the different combinations are going to be the same. It would be nice if they could throw in some more traits, make each civilization unique in some way, but if they can't I still like having more Civs. Lots of Civilizations in history were very much like each other, looking over the traits some of them in the game, it is clear they are not accurate, or are only true in a a certain time of that Civ's history.

Anyway, I see no harm in adding some more Civs, make a lot of people happy - with the editor coming out I think you will hear less of this kind of talk (wonder if they will have unit graphics included?)

And this is for Higher Game - why don't you get a higher brain
read a book, maybe even two - it will assist you in finding out whats true
you know nothing it is clear - you sound like my friend Bob after he has drank a few too many beers

 

[Higher Game]

The Turks were stopped at the battle of Tours. Some French general, Charles Martel, beat them with good ol' musketeers. They were later kicked out of Spain. They called themselves the Moors there. Yep, really close to conquering Europe.

They just change their names so they sound cooler. It's like changing a baseball teams name so they are "new" and are more popular.

 

[Exsanguination]

how about we list all 300+ civs/nations that ever existed or still exist and implement them into the game? See, now this is why I hate Firaxis! I'm asking for 300+ civs, but are they gonna give it to me, I DOUBT IT!!!

 

[Graeme the mad]

'The Turks were stopped at the battle of Tours. Some French general, Charles Martel, beat them with good ol' musketeers. They were later kicked out of Spain. They called themselves the Moors there. Yep, really close to conquering Europe. '

Okay you little idiot (I really despise you)

IT WAS THE ARABS BEATEN BY CHARLES MARTEL
THE TURKS FOUGHT THE ARABS (Conquest of jerusalem by seljuks mean anything tpo you, no of course it bloody well doesn't, how about destruction of Mamelukes by the ottomans? Oh dont be silly there just camels.

Lets get some geography clear first of all - the region is not deserts. Why do you think civilastion started in the fertile crescent? BECAUSE ITS FERTILE
I mean tigris, euphrates, no water in there just sand and camels
You are most probably a troll (in my sense of the word) no one could really be so mind numbingly stupid and work out how to post here

Cracker is right up to a point however we are trying to get the fell of teh game here - and that probably adds a lot more than you think (look at all the stories in the civ3 story section)

 

[Higher Game]

Ok, if not the camel, then what do the Turks get? Arabs get the camel, and Persians get the immortal. I don't recall the bowman being common in Babylon, so I guess they will make up so UU for the Turks. Probably another knight type unit, there really are not enough knight type units in the game.

Us Americans aren't really fond of Arab civs now, so don't ask for it...

 

[God]

@Higher Game: Aryans aren't some BS made up by Hitler, they are the tribes that left Central Asia, and moved to other parts of the world several thousand years ago.

The Turks were stopped at the battle of Tours. Some French general, Charles Martel, beat them with good ol' musketeers. They were later kicked out of Spain. They called themselves the Moors there. Yep, really close to conquering Europe.
Oh no, once again you are wrong. They were Arabs, not Turks. Do you need a map? Have you ever seen a map other than that of the US and Europe?

I guess according to you everybody who's Muslim is a Turk. Yeahh . You need to go back to History Class and learn some things about the world.

First suggestion: Go look at a map. Not all of Middle East is desert? Like Graeme said, have you ever heard of the fertile crescent? Do you know where the Nile River is? Do you even know what a forest is? (Psst, it has trees)

After that, go learn something about non- European history. Look at some more maps.

Turks will get either some sort of musketman equivelent unit, or some cannon unit.

I'm assuming you live in Georgia, because IIRC GA is for Georgia. I guess they have pretty bad schools or something.

They are both Muslim and they certainly don't hate each other. They are both peaceful and united to each other.
Ever heard of the Safavid Empire. Probably not. They were a Persian ****te Empire around the same time as the Ottomans. The two massacred each other's populations. It wasn't nice.
http://itsa.ucsf.edu/~ico/history/1historicalsetting.html#the safavids
Some info on the Safavids on that site.

 

[Higher Game]

Ok, God. Stop the flaming NOW. I do have a great education, I know what a damn forest is, and people from GA are not idiots. I am taking world history this year, learning about the cultures of the world.

The book summarized all of Africa and Asia in a single chapter, and the Middle East in 2 chapters. If it was a significant region it would be getting the 20+ chapters Europe gets. I actually feel sorry for the Turk/Arab civs, they only get 2 chapters when they probably deserve 3 or 4. The Fertile Crecent is like an oasis: it doesn't change the fact that 99% of the rest of the land is desert.

Don't attack GA, ok? With your screen name, you are really asking for it... I bet you didn't know I am 2nd in my whole class in history.

 

[etj4Eagle]

Originally posted by Higher Game

The book summarized all of Africa and Asia in a single chapter, and the Middle East in 2 chapters. If it was a significant region it would be getting the 20+ chapters Europe gets.

I had refrained from entering this thread, but this post just called to me. The coverage in a text book means absolutely nothing. In fact, I would be suprised if text books for NA or European students devoted large portions to middle eastern or asian cultures. The standard practice, wheter good or not, is to know yourself best, those similar to you the next best and then finally to know something about those totally non-similar to you.

It is for this very reason that many school require their students to take courses that focus completely on non-european cultures to make up for this lacking.

Now there are apparantly some poster here who really know their middle eastern history. Don't just assume that they are giving mis-truths. From the modern middle eastern history course that I took in college what they say about at least the Ottoman empire rings seems to ring true.

 

[GhengisFarb]

Originally posted by Higher Game
Wrong again. The English are called Anglo-Saxons because they came from 2 tribes called the Angles and Saxons.

Germany came from tribes called Germanic tribes, like the Gauls. The Gauls also occupied France.
you must admit that.

Gaul is what Rome called Northern Europe, it was inhabited mainly by three 'Germanic tribes' : Angles, Saxons, and Franks. German, French, and English cultures are decended from the Germanic tribes, that's why they are all considered the same culture group.

By beef is why they chose the Iroquois, there were MANY larger and more powerful American civs like the Inca and Cherokee (who had developed their own written language by Sequoyah).

 

[Jeff Yu]

Ok, God. Stop the flaming NOW. I do have a great education, I know what a damn forest is, and people from GA are not idiots. I am taking world history this year, learning about the cultures of the world.

The book summarized all of Africa and Asia in a single chapter, and the Middle East in 2 chapters. If it was a significant region it would be getting the 20+ chapters Europe gets. I actually feel sorry for the Turk/Arab civs, they only get 2 chapters when they probably deserve 3 or 4. The Fertile Crecent is like an oasis: it doesn't change the fact that 99% of the rest of the land is desert.

The reason that your textbook covers European history and not the rest of the world is because it is BIASED. Do you honestly believe that the rest of the world apart from Europe and the USA is a cultural vacuum? The fact that a culture is not covered in length in your textbook is no indication of that culture's worth. Europe is significant in history and contributed to the world, but 4 or 5 billion of the world's 6 billion people do not live in the USA or Europe. Do you honestly think that none of these people did ANYTHING significant and that only the people of Europe deserve studying? You said your book summarized all of Asia and Africa in one chapter. Africa and Asia are not even remotely similary to one another. Even in Asia, China is very different from Japan is very different from India, and all of them have histories and significant contributions going back thousands of years. Ditto with Africa.

Are you really learning about the cultures of the world? Because last time I checked, the cultures of Europe weren't "the cultures of the world."

Don't attack GA, ok? With your screen name, you are really asking for it... I bet you didn't know I am 2nd in my whole class in history.

In that case, I shudder to think about how stupid the rest of your class is, if you're second best and you display such ignorance.
You've proved repeatedly that you can't even understand simple geography, like the concept that Turkey, Arabia, Babylon, and Persia ARE IN DIFFERENT PLACES. Turkey (Ottoman) is east of Greece, Arabia is on the Arabian peninsula, Babylon is where modern-day Iraq is, and Persia is modern-day Iran. You show your willingness to babble on about things you know exactly nothing about, like saying that all Muslims are Arabs. Well, the most populated Muslim country is INDONESIA, and most Muslims are ASIAN. You said that the Aryans were made up by Hitler. The population of Iran are Aryan, you idiot. Even by looking you can tell Persians aren't Arab. The Aryans are light skinned people, while the Arabs are dark-skinned.

The other people in here know what they're talking about. From your comments, you seem to think that the entire middle east and most of Africa is just useless desert. You seem to think that all of Africa and Asia are the same. You racistly think that Americans should hate all Arabs because of the actions of a dozen Arabs.

Your description of Georgian education scares me and I honestly hope that you are not the second best in your class. That would mean that all the other students know even less than you and that's scary. If so it shows some serious deficiencies in Georgian education. I know for a fact that not all American education is this lacking because I went through high school (and am going to college) in California.

You say the poster was attacking Georgia, but you seem to be attacking the rest of the world. Open your mind a little, and try to learn at least a little before babbling on about stuff you don't know next time.

P.S.
What's wrong with the screenname god? He could be referring to any of numerous deities, not neccessarily the god from Judeo-Christian-Islamic mythology, including the Egyption gods like Ra, Anubis, or Graeco-Roman ones like Zeus, Appollo, or the Norse ones like Thor and Odin, or Babylonian ones like Marduk, or the Hindu gods like Shiva and Vishnu. You DO know about the existence of other religions, right?

 

[UofAzKid]

Um....

I"m new here and I thought this thread was really interesting. First of all, wasn't the topic about adding new features to the game? Second, some people really need to slow down! You're taking it too seriously although I do find it fascinating that there is an argument.

Back to the added features, I would really like to see the Mayan and Incan civilations added. I think also if they added another trait or two it would help with new civs.

Hey, I just wanted to put my two cents in. Let me know how I did for my frist time! haha....

 

[Higher Game]

Well Uof, you didn't get caught up in a hopeless arguement, so you are doing fine now.

 

[Sullla]

I'm not going to say anything that insults anyone. But from the other posts in this thread, it's clear Higher Game has little to no knowledge on the subject. Higher Game, I kindly suggest that you stop trying to defend your point of view before you make even more of a fool of yourself.

I am taking world history this year, learning about the cultures of the world. The book summarized all of Africa and Asia in a single chapter, and the Middle East in 2 chapters. If it was a significant region it would be getting the 20+ chapters Europe gets.

This is probably the most offensive statement I've heard in some time; I hope that you don't actually believe this.

 

[Maple]

Higher Game- How old are you? 11? 12? With your devastatingly pathetic knowledge of world history, I sure hope so.

One other thing- In the 20+ chapters in your famed history textbook, they never bothered to mention that the turks were NOT defeated by Charles Martel, (I bet you don't know what his name means- It's Charles the Hammer) it was the Arabs.


And, wrestling is NOT real, it just is a bunch of idiots watching idiots hurt each other with styrofoam and chairs.

 

[Maple]

Oh yeah- If I were you I would ask TF to change your name and change your avatar...

 

[Higher Game]

You just side with him because he has been here longer. We both know a lot about history; again, I am second in my class in history. Although we both know a lot about history, he swallows the pc stuff about those barbarians being real civs.

And yes, the Seljuk tribe is a barbarian tribe in civ 3. They mercilessly slaughtered one of my settlers

The only civ that I see below the Arabs is the Mongols. A lot of Chinese culture (the little bit they had) was destroyed by their invasions. I learned 3 important things about China and Japan from school: The Chinese are evil communists and America is here to stop them, The Japanese attacked us at Pearl Harbor, siding with Hitler, and China taught their history to a single man, Marco Polo. America's Civil War was studied more than China. And for a good reason, Abraham Lincoln was one of our finest presidents.

I am not 11 or 12, I am 16. And I know that wrestling is fake. I know my history very well here.

 

[TETurkhan]

usually I appreciate everyones posts, even if I dont agree with them, but you go too far Higher Game. Seriously, the people here have provided you with some very accurate information - why not be wise and consider it? Go to your nearest library and read up on it.. right now all your doing is irrating people.

Many people in this forum are very intelligent and knowledeable. I myself have learned numerous things from others here, you should try to do the same.

 

[Beam]

teturkhan,

Grabbing that point, I see the thread you opened as one with a very positive one like "how can Civ III even become better". We can have endless discussions over historical accuracy and that will be a NES IMHO.

Most of us have been playing Civ for a couple of years now, and yes a Knight battle between Egypt and America is an anomaly from a historical point of view (HPOV). It is part of Civ and if anyone bothers about it, so what?

Going back to the original topic and thinking out loud there are two things that come to mind:
a) Make the naval aspect a real part of the game! Right now a minimum of transports is the max. you need.
b) Make cultural differences more than just a coincedance in the game. UU's, GA's etc. are just a one-time fact and from there it is the same ol' party. OK, some city improvements come at a better rate, why not differentiate on a wider level, like offensive civs, defensive civs, commercials civs etc, all with specific unit, wonder, build advantages etc?

 

[God]

Originally posted by Higher Game
You just side with him because he has been here longer. We both know a lot about history; again, I am second in my class in history. Although we both know a lot about history, he swallows the pc stuff about those barbarians being real civs.

And yes, the Seljuk tribe is a barbarian tribe in civ 3. They mercilessly slaughtered one of my settlers

Why would they side with if I've been here longer? Its because my information is mostly accurate, while alot of your's isn't.

Anyway, the civs that didn't make the final cut as being a civ in the game, were turned into barbarian tribes. The Seljuks, Olmecs, Mayans, Vikings, Mongols etc.

I surprised that you believe in everything the game says. Its not a recreating history game!

I learned 3 important things about China and Japan from school. The Chinese are evil communists and America is here to stop them, The Japanese attacked us at Pearl Harbor, siding with Hitler, and China taught their history to a single man, Marco Polo. America's Civil War was studied more than China. And for a good reason, Abraham Lincoln was one of our finest presidents.

Oh, I'm sorry, I shouldn't be so harsh on you. I thought you refused to accept any accurate info, its just that you haven't learned anything.

Oh ofcourse good ol' America is here to save the day. They've been around since 3000 BC making sure nobody goes bad.

China did so much more than become communist 60 years ago. Japan had been alot of different, before WW2. Obviously your school has some really bad teachers and books.


Second in your class in history means nothing at all. For all I know you could be second in a 4th grade class, as a 16 year. That was just a wild example, mind you.

Your knowledge of history has shown that if you're second in your class than the school is a really bad school, and should think about improving on what it teaches.

People like you who think that all Chinese are evil, and everybody from Middle East is arab, aren't helping the anybody including yourself.