Middle Ages Conquest - Does eliminating a Civ destroy the Holy Relic they had?

[Brutus2]

I'm playing the Middle Ages Conquest as the Germans, I have just eliminated the Burgindinans by defeating their two kings. All of their cities are now rubble. I was looking for the Shroud of Torin which they should have so I can bring it to Jeruselum but I don't see it in any of their former cities? Does it get destroyed along with the rest of the civ's units when they are eliminated? If so how are you supposed to collect the relics?


Thanks for any advice.

 

[JazzToucan]

Yes. You need to capture the relic before you destroy the civ. It's tricky in terms of finding the relic, but hey, they are worth 10,000 points.

Really, you don't even need the relics to win the scenario if you're agressive enough, i.e., destroying other civs and usually even one is more than enough.

I think the Burgundun relic starts in one of the cities in Italy. You can find out by just starting the scenario as the other civs or looking in the editor.

How much help that will be is another story... the AI has no idea what to do with the relics.

Sometimes they stay put, sometimes they move them around practically unguarded. Playing as the Ottomans, the AI Burdgunduns sent their relic into my territory guarded only by a swordsman. It fortified and didn't move at all... ever... until several turns later I captured it. The AI Germans deposited their relic in a sattelite city guarded only by a spearman.

It's pretty much a goose chase.

 

[Cuivienen]

The above is true.

The Burgundian relic starts in Rome, the other relics start in the capital cities (Chippenham, Paris and Regensburg). The AI tends to move the Relic to the city closest to Jerusalem immediately (Venice for the Burgundians, London for the English, etc.), at least on higher difficulty levels.

 

[SuperBeaverInc.]

If you destroy a civ, the relic is not lost. I destroyed the Germans, and the last city left had the relic in it. After they were gone, the relic was still there.

And it is possible to win without relics. I was Denmark, captured all of Germany, Burgundy, and Poland and had 30,000 VP, just 10,000 short of the limit. So I took the three relics I had(I captured France's too) and got 30,000 additional VP for returning them to Jerusalem.

 

[Brutus2]

Originally posted by JazzToucan
Yes. You need to capture the relic before you destroy the civ. It's tricky in terms of finding the relic, but hey, they are worth 10,000 points.

See the problem is when the King and the relic are in the same city. With this civ, I had already killed their first king (didn't know he was in the city I wanted), and the second king was in the city that had the relic. As soon as the second king is dead the civ is wiped out and the relic is gone. That should be changed.

 

[JazzToucan]

Originally posted by SuperBeaverInc.
If you destroy a civ, the relic is not lost. I destroyed the Germans, and the last city left had the relic in it. After they were gone, the relic was still there.

And it is possible to win without relics. I was Denmark, captured all of Germany, Burgundy, and Poland and had 30,000 VP, just 10,000 short of the limit. So I took the three relics I had(I captured France's too) and got 30,000 additional VP for returning them to Jerusalem.

Do you have a screenshot of this? I've never seen this. It also doesn't seem to fit in the programming as a relic has to be of some nationality... The king unit having some attack/defense capability will always be put ahead of the relic and as soon as the last king is destroyed... all of that civs units are destroyed.

 

[JazzToucan]

Originally posted by Brutus2


See the problem is when the King and the relic are in the same city. With this civ, I had already killed their first king (didn't know he was in the city I wanted), and the second king was in the city that had the relic. As soon as the second king is dead the civ is wiped out and the relic is gone. That should be changed.

One possible way around this is for you to agree to a right of passage and send a unit to sit around the city where the relic originally starts -- this would really only work for the French and German as only they are close enough to get near the capitals before the relic moves. Then you can "track" the relic.

 

[Doc Tsiolkovski]

Relics definetely don't get destroyed with their original Civ. They do remain in play.

The odd situation is when a city with a relic cultureflips, since the relic won't change its affiliation.

If you cannot find the relic in the rubble, the Spearman carrying it most likely travelled around.

 

[Brutus2]

Originally posted by Doc Tsiolkovski
Relics definetely don't get destroyed with their original Civ. They do remain in play.

The odd situation is when a city with a relic cultureflips, since the relic won't change its affiliation.

If you cannot find the relic in the rubble, the Spearman carrying it most likely travelled around.

If the relic does not get destroyed, how do you find it? I don't see it on any of the rubble of the former civ's cities. If they lost it to another civ it could be anywhere.

 

[JazzToucan]

I still won't buy this "relic still exists" stuff unless I see a screenshot. Someone must have because they are arguing they have seen it.

 

[SuperBeaverInc.]

@Brutus2- The AI often have it wandering around. I found France's in the middle of Poland.

@JazzToucan- I have seen it, but I didn't take a screenshot, as I didn't think it was important. It shouldn't be to hard to replicate.