Middle Ages Scenario

[thetrooper]

I have just started the middle ages scenario and have one simple question: to cash in the 10000 VP for Krak des Chevaliers, do I have to capture Jerusalem and hold it for the rest of the game?

 

[Shabbaman]

Hm, I just checked the civilopedia, but I think you don't get any VP for the Krak. You get the 10k VP for returning the relics to Jeruzalem. Those are the shroud, grail and so on. You get the VP atm you move them into Jeruzalem. You only need to have Jeruzalem at that time, you keep the VP when you loose the city.

 

[thetrooper]

Hm, I just checked the civilopedia, but I think you don't get any VP for the Krak. You get the 10k VP for returning the relics to Jeruzalem. Those are the shroud, grail and so on. You get the VP atm you move them into Jeruzalem. You only need to have Jeruzalem at that time, you keep the VP when you loose the city.

Fanx Shabba!

Silly me - I meant the "Crown of Thorns", of course (returning it to the Holy city). Anyhow - you gave me an answer to the relevant question.

 

[thetrooper]

Anyone who knows the dynamics behind the Plague - timebased or something else?

 

[Grohan]

Anyone who knows the dynamics behind the Plague - timebased or something else?

If I remember right it's random but there are some factors which make it more likely to happen.

Check out civilopedia.

 

[Mewtarthio]

The Plague occurs at 1346 (give or take about fifty years) and lasts for the next fifty years.

 

[thetrooper]

Grohan: well, the Pedia isn't that great on the issue, but thanks anyway.

Mewtarthio: thanks. 1346 - I'll check it out. I was able to find s'thing on
civ3.com:

Design Diary - Middle Ages:

http://www.civ3.com/devupdate_middleages.cfm

By Ed Beach, BreakAway Games
and Michael Fetterman, Firaxis Games

 

[warpstorm]

Any questions about that scenario I'm sure Ed would give the answer to.

 

[Pook]

I have just started the middle ages scenario and have one simple question: to cash in the 10000 VP for Krak des Chevaliers, do I have to capture Jerusalem and hold it for the rest of the game?

One piece of unsolicited strat-ee-gery:
The 10,000 VP you get from delivering a relic to Jerusalem is not enough. As long as you're going to make the trip to Jerusalem, you really need to consider taking out another Christian power and taking their relic with you as well. This will give you 20,000 VP, enough combined with the kill/conquest points to bring you victory.
By the way, if you're fortunate enough to have a game where the Byzantines are conquering the Abbasids and the Byzantines raze Jerusalem, all is not lost. Just take the relic to the smoldering ruin that was Jerusalem, and you get the VP.

 

[thetrooper]

By the way, if you're fortunate enough to have a game where the Byzantines are conquering the Abbasids and the Byzantines raze Jerusalem, all is not lost. Just take the relic to the smoldering ruin that was Jerusalem, and you get the VP.

That is exactly what happened. Jerusalem razed by the Byzantines. Thanks
for the info. The ruin is still a VP location, like in FOR when eastern or western Rome is cleaned off the map? A swordsman army is carrying my relic.
I believe I have to kill some Byzantine spearmen on the VP location when I get there.

 

[dgfred]

That is exactly what happened. Jerusalem razed by the Byzantines. Thanks
for the info. The ruin is still a VP location, like in FOR when eastern or western Rome is cleaned off the map? A swordsman army is carrying my relic.
I believe I have to kill some Byzantine spearmen on the VP location when I get there.

trooper- What civ are you playing? I assume Norway . Do
you have more than one relic? If not you will have to do some HEAVY
pillaging of coastal cities to gain enough VP to win.

 

[thetrooper]

What civ are you playing? I assume Norway . Do
you have more than one relic? If not you will have to do some HEAVY
pillaging of coastal cities to gain enough VP to win.

No - I haven´t tried as my forebears yet. I am playing as the french or
Franks as they were called at that moment in time.

Lurk on dgfred!

 

[Pook]

trooper- What civ are you playing? I assume Norway . Do
you have more than one relic? If not you will have to do some HEAVY
pillaging of coastal cities to gain enough VP to win.

I thought by the Crown of Thorns reference that he was playing France. I agree with dgfred's statement about heavy pillaging as a Viking civ. I played this scenario as Norway, figuring I'd:
1) Beat up on the Celts
2) Conquer England and take the Grail
3) Slowly pillage my way to Jerusalem, wiping out enough mid-size cities to generate the VPs required to win
I put this plan in motion and accomplished #1 and #2. Then I found that I was getting enough VPs from taking cities with berserks using amphibious assaults that I didn't need to go to Jerusalem.
The great part about this strategy is that you don't have to play defense. You own the seas, so they can't touch your homeland. When attacking cities, you're either on a boat or you've just taken a city of theirs, so unless they've got cavalry nearby, they can't hit you. You just get on the boat next turn and go off to pillage somewhere else.

 

[thetrooper]

I thought by the Crown of Thorns reference that he was playing France.

dgfred was referring to my origin as a norwegian. I will play as the norwegians when I have finished as the Franks. Your strategy seems good though! Their (and the other Viking nations) power at the seas are not
met by any other in this scenario...

 

[dgfred]

@ trooper-- Have you been able to get an Army yet? Just curious
how common they are to get for the non-viking civs. England starts with
one , a human England player can really put it to GOOD use .

 

[thetrooper]

@ trooper-- Have you been able to get an Army yet? Just curious
how common they are to get for the non-viking civs. England starts with
one , a human England player can really put it to GOOD use .

I ran into "trouble" right from the start - war with my Christian "brothers":
Lothair of Burgundy and Louis the German. Lothair because his troops were sighted enough times inside my borders and Louis because I tried to renegotiate a peace treaty just to find out that he was stronger than me. I just couldn´t swallow my pride and let him have some gold just to keep Europe peaceful... So the first ML was just around the corner.

 

[dgfred]

I ran into "trouble" right from the start - war with my Christian "brothers":
Lothair of Burgundy and Louis the German. Lothair because his troops were sighted enough times inside my borders and Louis because I tried to renegotiate a peace treaty just to find out that he was stronger than me. I just couldn´t swallow my pride and let him have some gold just to keep Europe peaceful... So the first ML was just around the corner.

SHAME on Lothair and Louis , they deserved to be .

 

[Nobody]

the middle ages is the best scenario in my oppinio, i love extoring tribute out of my neighbours.

 

[warpstorm]

This is by far my favorite scenario. One of the best games of Civ I ever played was the time Ed Beach, BobT, and I played as the underpowered Celts in a succession game. It was a sqeaker with us bringing in a stack-o-doom to Jerusalem with 2 captured relics 3 turns before trhe end of the game.

 

[thetrooper]

I agree with Nobody and Warpstorm. This is my favourite scenario so far (along with Rise of Rome). Reason: the division into three different culture groups and three different sets of tech trees. Great idea!