Midnight Express / Turkish prison cliche

It could be a coincidence that the corporate producers in Hollywood that distribute films depicting Turkish people only in a bad light.:mischief:
 
Yes I can. Ottoman empire was threatening Europe many centuries ago. More recently, there was a British threat to America's independence, then Germany not only threatens but conquers most of Europe, then Communism threatens both. And yet Turks are eternally evil?
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You're forgetting some one small, but significant detail which explains why the other nations arn't considered eternally evil through the acts they have done in the past.

Namely, the fact that the Turks are muslim.
 
Masquerouge said:
I guess the point of the thread was that knigh+ was under the impression that the Turks get a bad rap every time they're in a Hollywood movie. The movies might not be anti-Turks, but if every time the Turkish guy is depicted as violent/dirty/backwards, it can get really tiresome.
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Well, as it has already been pointed out, Midnight Express is not a Hollywood movie.

Maybe if he stated some actual Hollywood movie examples he'd have a point.

Kaiser Sauzee is the only "turkish" (well thats what they say he is) character portrayed in any Hollywood movie that I know of and the movie makes him out to be the ultimate badass so I can't see that a negative character.;)
 
Bugfatty300 said:
It goes both ways. After all, the Turks produced the Valley of the Wolves movie.

I'm getting tired of assuring every Turk I see that I am not going to kill them and harvest their organs.;)
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It does not go both ways. I don't know a single Turk who is afraid of Americans because they fear they are going to kill them and harvest their organs. Well half of the Americans I met were really afraid of me when we met.

If you say I am American to a Turk, this things may come up in the next sentence:

Skyscrapers, Clinton, NY City, Michael Jordan, Green Card :D , Texas, American girls, Fat people, Hamburger, McDonalds super size...
 
Azkonus said:
It does not go both ways. I don't know a single Turk who is afraid of Americans because they fear they are going to kill them and harvest their organs. Well half of the Americans I met were really afraid of me when we met.

If you say I am American to a Turk, this things may come up in the next sentence:

Skyscrapers, Clinton, NY City, Michael Jordan, Green Card :D , Texas, American girls, Fat people, Hamburger, McDonalds super size...
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Im sure it goes both ways, anecdotes are not evidence. If you live somewhere with no diversity (And for the matter turkey IS less diverse then america) then theres probably some people who are afraid of different people.

But probably in the same sense you said americans were afraid of you. If turks came to downtown newyork i suppose they might be frightened also of the change.
 
Azkonus said:
It does not go both ways. I don't know a single Turk who is afraid of Americans because they fear they are going to kill them and harvest their organs. Well half of the Americans I met were really afraid of me when we met.
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Every Turk I've met grabs his stomach and yells "hayır!" and runs away.
 
Azkonus said:
I take usual suspects as a pro-turkish movie, because Kayzer Soze character is really cool.
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Kind of over-reaction, considering that only once is it mentioned that he is supposed to be turkish, along with the rest of the ocean of lies that the character tells.
Lets say he said he was armenian; i doubt that anyone would notice, since it has nothing to do with the plot at all ;)
 
Bugfatty300 said:
Maybe if he stated some more viable examples he'd have a point
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Well, right off my mind... America,America by Kazan or King Solomon´s Mines (the 80s one)
 
It is true that places such as Turkey,Greece and many nations have produced less films in their own language or it is just the fact that the exportation of films in these listed nations are extremely low and scarce in my country.Of course alot of my fellow Americans can't stand subtitles.
 
ArneHD said:
Lets face it, just about EVERYONE who isn't american is made to look like a bad guy.
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hmmm, now when was the last time I saw a hollywood movie with a "bad" Norweigan guy.. Oh yeah, it must have been Kirk Douglass in "the vikings"
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Well, there are movies being produced each year here, and in Turkey as well (i trust), but only few become international hits (eg Zorba). Some become relatively known in Europe though.
 
Does anyone know that movie that was produced in turkey that was about the american troops invading and doing something with jews and eating babies? :lol:

I dont know much about it, but this guy has no room to complain when there has never been an american movie as serious as that was about bashing the other country.
 
Bugfatty300 said:
Every Turk I've met grabs his stomach and yells "hayır!" and runs away.
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What are you saying? That you are so ugly that you even make Turks want to throw up?
 
Xanikk999 said:
Does anyone know that movie that was produced in turkey that was about the american troops invading and doing something with jews and eating babies? :lol:

I dont know much about it, but this guy has no room to complain when there has never been an american movie as serious as that was about bashing the other country.
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Yeah I saw it. It is called Kurtlar Vadisi Irak (Valley of Wolves - Iraq). It is a hollywood style action movie except this time Iraqi and Turks are good guys and americans (or at least some americans) are the bad guys. There is a jew in the film but he doesn't eat babies; he is a 'doctor' connected to the US army who harvests organs from Iraqi detainees for sale in Isreal and elsewhere.
 
Bugfatty300 said:
How many anti-Turk movies? None that I know of.

The usual suspects maybe.
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Maybe? :dubious:
usual suspects said:
He becomes a myth, a spook story that criminals tell their kids at night. If you rat on your pop, Keyser Soze will get you. And nobody really ever believes. And you know why Keyser Soze could do all this and get away with it? It was because of his God-given roots.
He was a Turk....
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MAYBE?!?

ok, then. Excluding the usual Armenian or Greek "their side of the tale" movies, here is a list:


American anti-Turk:
Lawrence of Arabia (1962)
King Solomon's Mines (1985)
Pascali's Island (1988)
Cold Sweat
The Adventures of Baron Munchausen (1988)
Seven Percent Solution (1976)
Forgotten Prisoners (1990)
Dark Holiday (1989)
Prison Heat (1993)
Abdul the Damned (1935)
Cleopatra Jones (1973)
The Terrible Turkish Executioner (1904)
24 (tv)
West Wing (tv)
Saturday Night Live (tv)
Mash (tv)

American pro-Turk:
Background to danger (1943)
From Russia with Love (1963)
Filling His Own Shoes (1917)
Indiana Jones Chronicles (tv)

European anti-Turk:
Bread and Chocolate (1973)
Turkish Passion (1994)
Loverboy (2003)
Dust (2001)
Out of Reach (2004)
Vampyros Lesbos (1972)
Black Sabbath (1964)

European pro-Turk:
Journey of Hope (1990)
Monsieur Ibrahim (2003)
Dirty Pretty Things (2002)
Intimate Power (1989)
<The German series with the Turkish cop> (tv)


Seems Europeans are less negative than Americans, therefore it is not related to the centuries-old fear of conquest, as suggested here earlier.



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varwnos said:
The leading actor in that film is greek-american (Bill Zane) ;)
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Bill Zane is in it but the leading role is played by a Turk Necati Sasmaz.

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One movie i saw on your list, the adventures of baron munchousen, i dont see how its anti turkish. So what if the city they are in is being invaded by turks, it doesnt make it anti-turkish or whatever.

Edit: After reading it throughoughly i concluded your list is crap. How the hell is saturday night live anti-turk? :lol: :lol:
 
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