I know this. But since the original poster of the mod says this civ was meant to represent modern Israel, I refrained from using ancient israel as a basis for my comments. And I disagree with the bit about militant. Where does it say they had to have used it to threaten? The key to militant (IMO) is that they A: Take a good deal of pride in the military. B: That a good deal of the character of that country involved military involvement and C: While kind of optional, a nation wide enforcement of conscription upon reaching a certain age is often seen. It is NOT that they actively pursue warfare (Although that is often the case)
MOD: Israel Civilization + A bit of realism and decorruption
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Shaffer, intel doesnt have a factory in Israel, they have a Reaserach and Development center consisted mainly by Israeli scientists... they develop the CPU's here, not manufactor them!
Anyhow, shareholders are rich people... not neccesarily smart people.
What do you mean by scientific breakthroughs? We did some on almost all categories, dont expect something like inventing electricity or the wheel, we still didnt have our emancipation at the time those things happened.
Also, Israel's Literacy rate is amongst the highest in the world, and out universities for Law, Medicine & Computers are considered among the best in the world.
ABOUT THE GAME CARSHING:
I just posted a revised version that does not crash, it includes the correct graphics.
Anyhow, shareholders are rich people... not neccesarily smart people.
What do you mean by scientific breakthroughs? We did some on almost all categories, dont expect something like inventing electricity or the wheel, we still didnt have our emancipation at the time those things happened.
Also, Israel's Literacy rate is amongst the highest in the world, and out universities for Law, Medicine & Computers are considered among the best in the world.
ABOUT THE GAME CARSHING:
I just posted a revised version that does not crash, it includes the correct graphics.
Make it apply more to the ancient hebrews, the leader perhaps as David or Solomon the wise (as this was the greatest hight the civilization has reached, Solomon was renouned throughout the ancient world for his wisdom wasn't he?).
I mean the game is about long term civilizations.
I think Arabic civilization should also have a place, (perhaps replacing the irquis or the Babylonians), since they themselves became a great middle eastern civilization through out the middle ages.
I mean the game is about long term civilizations.
I think Arabic civilization should also have a place, (perhaps replacing the irquis or the Babylonians), since they themselves became a great middle eastern civilization through out the middle ages.
G-Man
A One Man's War
Intel has both a factory and a research facility in Israel. Anywat here are some important breakthorughs done by Israeli scientists in the last few years:
- Creating the world's first anti-missiles missile that can take on any missile coming at any angle and any speed.
- Creating the world's first laser weapon with the US
- Findings a baxine to anthrax that works 4 times as good as the one the US is now using
- Creating more sefisticated unmanned aircrafts then ant other countries
- Creating pilot helmets that can show them all the Data they need wherever the pilot is looking at. These helmets are installed in every Israeli fighter jet as well as in the F-22 and the F-35
- Making simiar helmets to surgents so they don't need to look at screens around them while operating
- Starting the trand of chat prgrams - ICQ, odigo, etc.
- Inventing MMX in the intel reearch facilty.
This is what I can remember right now...
Sorry, but it's not even close. Hez-2 can take out SCAD, but can't hit even North Korean Nodong-2, not mentioning US or Russian ICBM. That is the reason why North Korean arm sales so dangerous. That is why heavy investment in Hez project not a good idea IMO. If North Korea can do it Iran may do it after some time also. And it will be decades before Hez would be able intercept even crude ICBM. ICBM warhead goes from up to down, and ground-based anti-missle goes from down to up, that is the main problem. Of cause if it would be possible to deploy anti-missile in space the situation reverse...
You have it wrong here, the arrow 2 can destroy a shahab-3 or korean no-dong missile, and with future upgrades soon it will be able to stop korean no-dong 2, and after that even longer range missiles. ICBM's are less of a threat now from the arab world.
http://www.janes.com/aerospace/military/news/jdw/jdw010910_5_n.shtml
http://www.janes.com/defence/news/jdw/jdw000918_1_n.shtml
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/iran/missile/shahab-3.htm
Didnt found anything about arrow-2 capability to stop Nodong-2 at this links, canyou point out where you got this info ? I had read completly opposite... Nodong-2 is 2-stages long range missile, more close to ICBM then to SCAD (I'm not sure in this thogh) , that is why I'm wondering. However it is kind of less dangerous then SCAD, because it can't be launched from mobile launcher and would be a good target for airstrike (I dont think Iranian capable of building hardened silo)
G-Man
A One Man's War
Israel is militaristic. We have to be this way or we wouldn't be here at all. A more efficient way to kill an enemy means less Israeli soldiers and less civilians of both sides will get hurt, and as an Israeli citizen it is of my interest that peole won't come and kill us whenver they want, and I'm proud of my country that can defend me against these people.
The hetz can take on missiles even if they come from outer space, because of it's manuverability and the advanced radar and computers that intiate the missile. The cruise missiles can be destroyed with the nautilus system.
Another thing I forgot-
Building, manufactoring and exporting the world's best short-mediun range AA missiles, the python 4.
This aint a political debate. PLEASE stop trying to make it one.
The fact of the matter is that there are a total of 5 traits for a civ in the game. I dont care what meaning you beleive the word has behind it, or if you beleive one or another is 'good' or 'evil', it is QUITE clear to me that they're meant to be fairly neutral in tone and just broadly descriptive IN THE CONTEXT of the game. Again, IN THE CONTEXT OF THE GAME, I beleive modern Israel is indeed militaristic do to their need (perceived or otherwise) for a highly trained, extremely dedicated military which has a great deal of public and government support behind it.
Compare this to the US military which, while it has a great deal of government funding behind it, is having severe problems keeping up with its recruitment quotas. Stop reading things into this that arent there.
Sirotnikov
Chieftain
I see "Militant" as "using it's army to achieve goals".
Like someone said, the aztecs did that. So did Germany very often. So do arabs.
Israel's wars are self defense. The fact that we're victorious means we're scienitifically advanced.
About Mexico : Do mexican scientists design the cars?
About Israel:
Do you use pentium IV? It was designed here.
Do you have an MMX component? It was invented several kilometers from my house.
Do you use ICQ? It was invented and developed by two studfents from my city.
This forum uses the PHP scripting language.
Since version 2, it was written and designed mainly by 2 Israeli guys.
Hitro
Feistus Raclettus
Why do threads about Israel or just mentioning Israel always escalate into (political or historical) flaming?
Of course the history and also the present of the Middle East is very interesting. And it's great to discuss that (for example in the Off-Topic Forum
) but I thought this was about an Israel-mod, which is consider very interesting itself !
Considering that I just wanted to say that both militaristic as well as scientific can be "justified" for modern Israel. That's the same with religious (far more for ancient Israel). But if you take a closer look at all of the civs in the game you will find out (at least imo) that almost all characteristics can be applied to all civs in some way. For example, religon plays or has played a significant role in all civilization's histories. All of them have conquered to they could all be militaristic. And so on...
Of course the history and also the present of the Middle East is very interesting. And it's great to discuss that (for example in the Off-Topic Forum
) but I thought this was about an Israel-mod, which is consider very interesting itself !Considering that I just wanted to say that both militaristic as well as scientific can be "justified" for modern Israel. That's the same with religious (far more for ancient Israel). But if you take a closer look at all of the civs in the game you will find out (at least imo) that almost all characteristics can be applied to all civs in some way. For example, religon plays or has played a significant role in all civilization's histories. All of them have conquered to they could all be militaristic. And so on...
The militaristic attribute in Civ3 allows a smaller civ (i.e. one with a smaller pop./production-base) to compete militarily with larger ones by making veteran and elite units, as well as armies, easier to get. It is nothing more than that, as I tried to point out in another thread, and is not a `warmongering´ attribute. It is unrelated to aggressiveness, which is a separate setting in the editor.
My choice for modern Israel would be militaristic and scientific, but with a low aggressiveness setting. This is because Israel´s scientific and technological position is far higher than its small population would suggest, and the Israeli military has been very successful in defensive wars against larger neighbours with much larger populations, economies and armies. If everyone disagrees with me, that´s OK, but reasoned argument will more quickly convince me I´m wrong than emotional raving.
My choice for modern Israel would be militaristic and scientific, but with a low aggressiveness setting. This is because Israel´s scientific and technological position is far higher than its small population would suggest, and the Israeli military has been very successful in defensive wars against larger neighbours with much larger populations, economies and armies. If everyone disagrees with me, that´s OK, but reasoned argument will more quickly convince me I´m wrong than emotional raving.
Sirotnikov
Chieftain
axe-man, since this is a thread about an Israeli mod and it deals with what traits should the civ have, I think it's quite acceptable to note things in which Israel is better and which I think should be included in the mod.
I generally feel that being militaristic isn't what Israel is truely about. It is such due to the circumstances, however when left alone, it's commercial and scientific.
I generally feel that being militaristic isn't what Israel is truely about. It is such due to the circumstances, however when left alone, it's commercial and scientific.
G-Man
A One Man's War
There are threads about the middle east situation in the OT forum and whoever wants to talk about it can do it there.
About the mod:
Israel should probably be militaristic and scientific.
And how about a more interesting special unit - the 'Primus'? An extremely cheap plane that requires no resources (made primarily of wood) and can only bombard?
About the mod:
Israel should probably be militaristic and scientific.
And how about a more interesting special unit - the 'Primus'? An extremely cheap plane that requires no resources (made primarily of wood) and can only bombard?
Moshe Dayan lost his left eye in Syria during WW2 - German shell forced the binoculars into his eyes. Doctors were unable to save it.
Oh, BTW, in case you were wondering who moshe dayan was, he was only one of the Israeli heroes of the six day war.
Oh, BTW, in case you were wondering who moshe dayan was, he was only one of the Israeli heroes of the six day war.
Classictry
Chieftain
Hi - having read with interest your comments (!), let's please get back to the actual MOD.
I think the Special unit is a Spy since Israel, even in it's short history has shown an outstanding skill at Espoinage, sabotage, assainations etc. It is a necessary competence I guess considering real-politik.
The CIV specific abilities are (obviously) Commercial and one another. The Scientific claims - loads of other nations in the world have a better track-record than that in the last 50 years, let alone through history!
Expansionistic is a real option - look at size of Israel from it's birth to now.
I think the Special unit is a Spy since Israel, even in it's short history has shown an outstanding skill at Espoinage, sabotage, assainations etc. It is a necessary competence I guess considering real-politik.
The CIV specific abilities are (obviously) Commercial and one another. The Scientific claims - loads of other nations in the world have a better track-record than that in the last 50 years, let alone through history!
Expansionistic is a real option - look at size of Israel from it's birth to now.
Hey everyone. I'm new here. I know a good bit about our history too and want to make an Israel civ.
I've never done mod before, but I'd really like to make an Israel civ. Ancient Israel, King Solomon. I think I'd go with Religious and Industrious.
Any tips to get me started?
Thank you. Glad to be here.
Nick
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