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Discussion in 'Civ2 - Scenario League' started by Arthedain, Jan 24, 2011.

  1. techumseh

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    Fabulous. They look great! Thank you. The other involved nations that I suspect had an air force of sorts were Uganda and Zimbabwe. There was also a possibility (at least in my scenario) that South Africa might intervene.
     
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    @Patine Israeli Spitfires "Yorek"
    Israel bought 59 Spitfire LF IXc from Czechoslovakia in 1948. They wore Yugoslav markings during transit, to avoid suspicion. One plane crashlanded in Yugoslavia and another two had to turn back and land in Rhodes, Greece. Only 17 arrived in time to fight the 1948 Arab–Israeli War. Originally they all wore typical RAF ocean grey which was overpainted brown in theatre.
    Consequent to the induction of the Spitfires in late September and late December 1948, 101 Squadron established decisive air supremacy.
    101 Squadron’s score card showed 24 enemy aircraft were shot down from the air – 16 Egyptian aircraft, 6 British, 1 Syrian, and 1 Jordanian. At least 5 aircraft were damaged – 4 Egyptian and 1 British. The breakdown of aircraft destroyed included 9 Spitfires, 8 Macchis, 3 C-47s, 1 Tempest, 1 Mosquito, 1 Harvard, and 1 Dragon Rapide. Several Egyptian aircraft were destroyed on the ground when the Egyptian air bases were attacked at El-Arish and El-Hama.
    In 1952 an additional 35 LF IXc/e aircraft were purchased from Italy, After a few years (1954) they were sold to Burma.
    @techumseh Thank you for your kind words. Would you be interested in the South African AF too?
     

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    Yes please!
     
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    Avia continued building Messerschmitt Bf 109G-6s after the war under the Avia S-99 name, in Czechoslovakia: The S-199 continued to use the Bf 109G airframe but, with none of the original engines available, the aircraft would use the same engine and propeller as the Heinkel He 111 bomber. This proved to be a poor combination, to say the least. The Israelis obtained twenty-five aircraft and all but two were eventually delivered. The first examples arrived on 20 May 1948 but due to disappointing reliability and performance the Avias were mostly withheld from service by the end of October, at which time only six remained operational. The S-199 continued making sporadic sorties until mid-December 1948. They did manage to down a single Egyptian Spitfire. a Harvard trainer and two Dacotas though. The grey green is the paintjob they carried over from Czechoslovak service.

    Czechoslovak pilots nicknamed it Mezek ("Mule"), while in Israel it was officially known as the Sakeen (אוויה "knife" in Hebrew). In practice, the aircraft was more often called Messerschmitt or Messer (which also means "knife", in German and Yiddish).

    I know it was a terrible fighter, but still, you've got to love the irony of a Nazi plane in Jewish hands.

    @techumseh My PSP licence is running out, I'd better get down to it then!
     

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  5. Patine

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    I was about to point out the irony of the air force the Bf-109 served it's final war in. :p
     
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    In the immediate post-war period Egypt operated 26 Mk.V Spitfires from 1943 to 1949 and 38 Mk.IX planes from 1946 to 1955. In 1948 the Spitfire Mk.IX was the main fighter in the Egyptian Air Force.

    During 1948–1949, Egypt received 62 refurbished Macchi C.205Vs (some were updated C.202). A total of 15 Macchis were delivered to Egypt before the end of the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, seeing brief combat against the Israeli Air Force. They wore the same RAF desert camo as the Spitfires. On 7 January 1949, a C.205 claimed an Israeli P-51D Mustang. In return two or three Veltros had been claimed by IAF fighters by the end of the war in July. The last MC.205 was phased out in 1955.
     

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    From what I've read, the Syrians had a few types used in the war, including Meteors (possibly the only jets in the war) and C-47 transport planes rigged up to be makeshift bombers. Former Syrian President Hafez Assad (father of Bashir Assad), who was one of the inaugural pilots of the Syrian Air Force and flew in the 1948 war, CLAIMS he shot down an Israeli-piloted B-17, and four other Israeli aircraft.
     
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    He only joined flight school.after the war in 1950. So no. The only Syrian fighters during the conflict were 20 T6 Texans donated by the US. The Fiats, Spitfire 22s and the Meteors all came after 1950 But I will still do the Centauro in syrian colours anyway.
     
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    You've proven a piece of academia in Wikipedia wrong. What fiend would put askew data like that up online in a publicly-edited research source like it was fact? :nono:
     
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    Tanelorn Syria Egypt Centauro.png .
    Posting from my phone so bear with me, I d say take it with a grain of salt. For example, one source (Ali d' Italia) says exactly one Egyptian Centauro actually saw service during the conflict from December 1948. But according to my other Italian source, both Egyptian and Syrian G.55As were involved in clashes with the IDF.Among the pilots who trained on them (but doesn't say he fought) was the future Syrian President Hafiz al Assad, according to Stormo magazine.
    Argentina returned 17 G.55As that were then sold to Egypt (or Syria) in 1948. According to Stormo magazine, Egypt got 39 newly built G.55A from October 1948 and operated them until 1955. Syrian Centauros were present in Damascus airport in April 1949 (the rejected and returned half of an Argentine order). The Syrians got 13 ex Argentine.G.55s. Were they operational in time though? No idea. An Israeli source gives April 9 1949 as first recorded use but they could have been T6. They all got RAF style camo anyway. Syria also obtained 28 Merlin engined fighter and 19 two seater G.59 starting in August 1950. What the Syrians actually used during the war for sure were the T6 Texan/ Harvard and a few Avro Ansons
     
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    About the Israeli Spitfires and Messers read above.
    The four Beaus were smuggled out of Britain on the pretence of filming a movie about the RNZAF in the pacific, in Scotland. Their performance though has been described as "grotty" and "farcical", so they only served for a few months in 1948. An interesting exception happened when a Beau managed to take the Egyptian Sea Fury prototype down on a dive with it, which caused the Fury to crash.
    They also procured four B-17s modified to cargo planes if Florida. Three of them flew to Czechoslovakia via the Azores, to be refitted back to bombers. The fourth one was impounded by the Portuguese in the azores, after some cinematic back and forth. Two months later, inJuly 1948, the three Flying Fortress raided Cairo. The final B-17 missions anywhere were flown during the 1956 Suez War.
    Twenty AT-6 Texans were employed by the Syrian Air Force in the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, providing ground support. They also engaged in air-to-air combat shooting down an Israeli Avia S-199 fighter (no suprise there). Syria got 20 rebuilt T6D from the US after WWII and another 10 Harvard IIb from South Africa in the mid 1950s. They were passed on to Egypt after 1958.
    Egypt also used a number of Harvard mkIIb as trainers and liaison aircraft in 1948-1949. They operated more than 59 different aircraft between 1943 and 1967 (15 from Canada in 1955), and they were the last customer for the type.
    The Israeli Air Force bought 17 Harvards, and operated in the final stages of the 1948 war, the 1949 "Horev" operation vs Britain and the Sinai Campaign.

    33 Avro Anson aircraft were supplied to the Iraqi Air Force, the source is unknown. These were delivered in March 1946. A squadron operated against Israel from Transjordan.
    6 Anson aircraft of unknown mark acquired by the Syrian Air Force in 1948-9, probably from Iraq.
    Israel also purchased 4 Anson aircraft.They were supposedly destined for Singapore. The planes were renovated but their state was poor and one of them was forced to land near Milan on the way from Paris to Palestine. Thus the British learned of the real purpose of the planes, and when the four planes arrived at a stopover in Rhodes they were confiscated there by the Greek authorities. In 1949 , Greece released the confiscated planes to Israel however. Two of them arrived in Israel in March and the rest in December 1949.In the early 1950s five additional planes were purchased in Britain. Their poor condition and a shortage of spare parts led to their coming out of service in 1956.
    Two batches of three Ansons each were delivered to the REAF in 1936 and 1945. One was gifted to King Farouk for his birthday on April 1945.
    The Egyptians also ordered 20 ex-RAF Spitfire Mk.22. The order was placed on first of may 1950 and the last was delivered in late 1950. Ten refurbished aircraft were sold to Syria as well around 1950.
    In April 1948 the first Sea Fury prototype flew to Cairo for the Heliopolis Air Display. The demonstration of aerobatics and high-speed passes so impressed the Egyptians that an excited crowd swarmed over the aircraft. A few days later it was impounded and turned over to the REAF. The Hawker Fury prototype joined combat over Palestine, where it shot down at least one enemy aircraft, and itself eventually crashed in the Mediterranean Sea chasing the Beaufighter mentioned above. Egypt immediately placed an order for twelve aircraft. Delivery was delayed by the British arms embargo during the early Arab-Israeli war, and so the first two Sea Furies came from Iraq. They were joined by the twelve aircraft ordered from Hawker in 1950-51 (so 15 total).
    The first modern fighter in service with the Iraqi Air Force was the denavalised Hawker Fury. In May 1948 the first eight Fury F.Mk.1s, and a two-seater were delivered to the No.7 Sqn which was at the time flying Anson bombers, but most of these were sent to the Transjordan, from where they participated in the Arab-Israeli War. Therefore, a number of former Anson-pilots were swiftly converted to the Fury and initially, they suffered considerable attrition, as their pilots were trained in a rush. By the time No. 7 Sqn was moved to Amman on July 1948, only six out of some 14 aircraft delivered were still operational. Shortly after, operating out of Damascus AFB two pilots claimed the destruction of one of Israeli B-17. Due to the temporary armistice no more combat sorties were flown. Instead, the No.7 Sqn was advised to hand its remaining four operational Furies to Egypt (as mentioned), while the crews were returned to Iraq. Despite these early problems, the RIrAF was to continue purchasing Furies, and acquired a total of 38 more F.Mk.1s, and four two-seaters.
    On July 28, 1948, the Egyptian A.F. received the first of their Short Stirling Mk.V transports and 3 more followed shortly after.Four more Stirlings were aquired by Egypt at a later date, but another source states that totally only 6 Stirlings were obtained. These were modified to bombers and were quite active during the war. By 1950 they were unserviceable and were scrapped by 1951. Egypt also bought 9 transport Handley Page Halifax and 9 demilitarised Avro Lancaster in 1948 (delivered in between November 1949 and October 1950) and converted them to bombers. These had no effect on war and were destroyed on the ground during the 1956 Suez crisis.
    Three ex-civil DC-3 were obtained by Israel the summer of 1948. They were used by 103 sqn for bomber and freight transport role. A total of thirty-four plus of C-47, C-53 and DC-3 variants were obtained between 1948-60. Withdrawn from service in January 2001.
    Egypt operated 20 between 1945 and 1972, Syria 9 from 1948 into the 70s and they also used them as light bombers.

    Three PBY-5 Catalinas were acquired for the IDF/AF and served from 1951 to 1956 in the maritime patrol role.
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    Awesome!
     
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    Thanks guys.
     
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    Apartheid era South Aflican Impala mkI (Aermacchi MB-326M, 40 from Italy and 125 built localy, service 1966-2005) and mkII (MB-326K 22 from Italy, 78 built locally service 1974-2005). The second camo scheme was predominant by the mid 1980s. The antilope in the roundel changed to a bird in 1993 and the star lost its rays in 2003.
     

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    These are awesome as always. Are we getting Cheetahs? And would throwing in an SF-260, Canberra, Vampire, and Anson in Rhodesian colours with the Rhodesian Air Force roundel afterwards be gilding the lily?
     
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    Why Patine? Are you making a scenario?
     
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    I am, but not a relevant one - at this time. More an OCD request while he's on a roll. All of these he makes with no immediately intended purpose (which are quite a few - he obviously very much enjoys making them) may all be useful someday.
     
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    X16 Dassault Mirage III CZ interceptors in service 1963 - 1990, then modded into Atlas Cheetah C an advanced Atar powered Kfir variant in service 1993 - 2008
    X17 Dassault Mirage III EZ fighter bombers in service 1965 - 1986, then modded into Atlas Cheetah E, an Atar powered Kfir in service 1986 - 1992
    X4 Dassault Mirage III RZ X4 R2Z recce in service 1967 - 1990
    X4 Dassault Mirage III DZ X11 D2Z and X3 earlier BZ trainers/ strike in service 1967 - 1986 then turned into Atlas Cheetah D in service 1986 - 2008
    X32 Mirage F1AZ simplified attack version in service 1975 - 1997. The original camo was used through the 1980s along with the newer styles. The second brown/green camo scheme is valid from 1981 for the AZ, not 1988. The third grey/ brown/green camo was applied on the AZ after 1988 not 1990. Two AZs got the all grey camo as well at the end of the decade.
    X17 Mirage F1CZ interceptors in service 1975 - 1992. They all got the grey camo (including a false painted underside canopy) from the early 80s.
    Mirage IIIs flew completely unmarked during the border war
    @Patine , @techumseh :)
    @Thorvald of Lym Thanks!
     

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    Wonderful work! Thank you very much.
     
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    Blackburn Buccaneer naval strike/ bomber. Phenomenal range, good payload, badass name, looks like nothing else.
    X200 Fleet Air Arm 1962-1978/ RAF 1969-1994/ X16 South African AF 1965-1991
    @techumseh Glad to help, thank you.;)
     

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