Hello I've shadowed these boards from way back in the CIV3 days, and I've finally decided to join and start posting. Here is my question. How do I effectively leverage the traits of the Mongols. I usually play on Monarch and am trying to improve my warmongering for higher levels. In the last couple of games I've started playing the Mongols, I have so far not been able to start a successful early war with them. Ok so I want to use the Keshik (sp?), and on paper it synergizes really well with the Ger, but here is the problem, spearmen. Now I know its a given that spearmen will trump horsemen, but thats not my problem. I really should say that time seems to be the problem for Mongolia. HR is an expensive trait and Archery is usually skipped, now this alone doesn't hugely effect early warmongering, hell I've used Numidian Cavalry effectively, but there is more. The problem seems inherant with how Mongolia synergizes. For now lets ignore creative and imperialistic, and focus on aggressive, the shared trait for the leaders. Aggressive is a very useful trait, which allows you to get more important upgrades directly out of the barracks, but it doesn't work with horsemen. All of a sudden Mongolia is given a boost towards non-mounted units. Its UB the Ger balances this however giving a significant boost to mounted units, at the same time its UU is a pretty good HA. The UB and UU don't really synergize at all practically, HAs can't stand up to the spear, therefore they are either raiders or you have to seriously rush them before the enemy can mount a successful spearwall. As a rule raiders don't need a lot of upgrades, they really only pick off stray units and steal workers/pillage land. Therefore a Ger doesn't hugely benefit them. However by building a Ger you end up costing you a speed advantage which allows a much better spear defense to be built. I've wipped and chopped an army as fast as I could and I can never get both a Ger and an invading force of Keshiks before spears rear their ugly faces. Now nobody can argue against the Ger's use for Knights and Cavalry, but it seems to cripple their UU. Ok so they have Agressive so lets use mixed forces. Unfortunately this even further dilutes the usefulness of the Keshik. By mixing forces you are spending less on (preferably Ger upgraded) HAs, but it seems to be the most effective strategy. Infact only one or two non Ger upgraded Keshiks with a primarily footsoldier based army seems to work better with the Mongolians. Sure this is effective, but all it leverages is the Aggressive trait (and minorly the Keshik in a raiding capacity). The Ger will be useful later so its not as important if you don't use that. Truely it always seems more effective to just ignore HR until you need knights then break out the Ger. I can't for the life of me find proper way to leverage the traits of the Mongols, their UU seems to be useless without Ger support (aside from raiding, but I can raid with anyother unit just as effectively) and their traits, aggressive, only push you away from using it. Does anyone have advice for how best to utilize an early warmongering Mongol state that desperately wants to use their UU?