Moonsinger Deity Level Attempt

Moonsinger

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Here is my wonderful starting position at 4000BC::lol:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/ms_deity_4000bc.jpg

As you can see, there is no absolutely no cow, wheat, fish, or luxury near by. I would normally reject this map immediately, but out of boredom and curiosity, I decide to check with Mapstat for the domination limit. Guess what? It has a huge domination limit of 3999 tiles!:eek: So I decide to play a few turns to see what happen next.

Eventually, I saw a cow 3 tiles to the left and built my settler factory there. There is also just one deer in the forest in the north and one single wheat near the jungle in the south. And jungles surrounding most of the land.:( Here is a snapshot of that:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/ms_deity_2550bc.jpg

And here is my forgotten civilization at 975 BC with just 1 settler in transit (I forgot to save the game at 1000BC):

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/ms_deity_975bc.jpg

I went on and made contact and traded communication link with 7 other civs on my continent shortly after that. Because my little empire was at the crossroad right in the middle of the map, I was able to hide Babylon and Arabia from the rest of the known world (Germany, Russia, Persia, Zululand, and Spain) until Chivary.:) Out of pure luck, Babylon and Arabia took on a different research path from Persia and Rusia which gave me many great oportunity for trading. I made a lot of money from trading tech and map between the West and East and was leading in tech at the end of the ancient age.

Sadly, my good time didn't last long. Around 690BC, Catherine of Russia demanded Babylon's contact. Of course, I refused (anything else but my contact) and she declared war. Since I was leading everyone in the West by 1 tech (my 40 turn research with 1 scientist pay off), I decided to give away Polytheism to Zululand, Spain, Persia, and Germany to form an alliance against Russia.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/ms_deity_670bc_1.jpg

Another bad news by the next turn, Hammurabi of Babylon demanded for my contact with Persia. Once again, I refused (anything but my contact) and he declared war. Meanwhile Babylon and Arabia had been at war since forever; therefore, most of his troops were tied up along Arabia's border. Here is a map of my chaotic world at 670BC:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/ms_deity_670bc_2.jpg

Of course, Hammurabi didn't really want to let me off the hook and he decided to send a stack to 1 bowman and 2 swordmans against my nothern town of Konya. I immediately pop-rush a spear there and diverse all my force (another spear, 2 warriors and a wounded horseman) to defend that town at all cost. A snapshot of my defense against Hammurabi (not much, but it held off the Babylonian forever; btw, Konya was built on top of a hill):

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/ms_deity_670bc_3.jpg

Every few turns, Hammurabi continued to send a few bowmans and swordmans to die at the foot hill of my town. My elite spearmans had won many great battle defending Konya but not a single leader come by.:(
 
20 turns later, I made peace with everyone and lead my Republic Ottoman into AD. Here is the status of my world at 10 AD:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/ms_deity_10ad_1.jpg
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/ms_deity_10ad_2.jpg
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/ms_deity_10ad_3.jpg

Not much progress, but thing will about to change. So far, I had control of 5 luxuries. Hopefully, I will aquire the sixth one from Babylon real soon (their source of spices are right next to my border and I have a couple dozens of knights ready to launch (btw, other than Persia and Russia, no one else know the secret of Chivary). I also hope for a great leader to move my palace to a far away land (not sure about its destination yet, but I'm hopping it will be somewhere North of Babylon or South of Persia). Btw, at this time, Persia has the Pyramid, Sun Tzu, and Cleo's Workshop....so I guess they will be a wonderful target once I get Military Tradition.
 
You aren't kidding about the jungle! What were your original map settings? I came across this in my last emperor game - and wonder if temperate climate wouldn't be better than warm for less jungle.
 
Wow Moonsinger, I envy your map size of 3999 but not your start position :lol:

An interesting combination. High long term potential but a big challenge getting up to domination quickly. Sounds like Persia will be key. Good luck! :)
 
Originally posted by zerksees
What were your original map settings?

My map setting was wet, warm, 5 billion years old for maxinum potential score. As SirPleb just mention, this kind of map has a high long term potential if we can survive long enough. However, the down side of it is that we can't get up to the domination limmit quickly (still 250 titles more than the average may give a big score boot during the milking stage).

Personally, I prefer warm climate over temperate. Once the jungles are clear up, there will become prime estate.:) With the temperate climate, there will be more rocks and ice which aren't good for my daily cows.
 
Well, I was out of town during the last two weeks and haven't played any Civ at all.:( A few day ago, my Ottoman reached the age of Sipahi. Here I was comtemplating the universe and trying to defending my Eastern border from hostile Babylonians and my Western border from the evil Persians. Suddenly out of nowhere, The Zulus discovered Military Tradition.:) Here is a screenshot of that:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/ms_deity_560ad.jpg

From this point forward, my days of kissing the AIs' feet and begging them for mercy were over. :)

A little bit about the history of my civ before the age of Sipahi....First palace jump at 480 AD to a remote location:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/ms_deity_palace1.jpg

Second palace jump at 730 AD:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/ms_deity_palace2.jpg

And the current status of my empire at 800 AD:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/ms_deity_800ad.jpg

The red dot on the left indicates the location of my first palace jump and the red dot on the bottom east is the location of my second palace jump. So far, the biggiest mistake I made was trying to search for Sanitation. Silly me, instead of stocking up 28000 gold in my treasury, I could have reached Replaceable Part by now (which would give me Infrantry and power boost for my workers. Oh well, live and learn I guess.

Edit: I almost forgot. Immediately after learning the secret of Military Tradition, I broke the deadlock with Persia and sent 100 Sipahis directly at the heart of their empire. I razed the Megan, Coperinius and everything else except for their capital and 1 other city which housed the Pyramid, Sun Tzu, and Cleo's Workshop. I'm currently connecting iron at the beginning of the turn to build the railroad and disconnecting iron at the end of the turn so that I can build horseman for Sipahi upgrade. Hopefully, I will reach the domination limit before 1200 AD.:)
 
Wow Moonsinger. Great recovery after that tough start. It will be interesting to see where you end up with that great domination limit.
 
Well, my game is running at the crawling speed now (my P4-2.8 overlocked at 3.4 GHz is very fast, but it's really me that can't click the mouse fast enough).:( The year is 950 AD and the minimum time is around 3 hours per turn. I ran a 5 hours marathon last night and advanced just only 2 turns. Currently I'm manually directing over 500 hundred workers and around 250 offensive units in every turn. Current score around 6000 and gaining 181 points per turn. Just about 800 more tiles to domination.
 
......BUT Moonsinger:

How do you manage to play so many hours per day AND keep your husband happy, if that's not tooo personal a question?! :lol:
 
@Eman, I don't really have time to play that much. Usually I do it when he's not home.;)

Now, this trade deal is a little weird: http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/ms_gold_wo_city.jpg

Spain was completely wiped out like 5 turns ago, except for a settler in a galley somewhere. Basically, she has no city but she is making a lot of gold per turn. So finally, I decide to sell her Replaceable Part and Corporation for 265 gpt and all her gold. Since both Zululand and Rusia already had these techs, if I don't sell to her, they will. Anyway, I'm just curious on where her money coming from. Since she is currently backward in tech and has no city -> no territory -> no resource or luxury for trading, where on earth would she comes up with 265 gpt.
 
Originally posted by Moonsinger
[BSpain was completely wiped out like 5 turns ago, except for a settler in a galley somewhere. Basically, she has no city but she is making a lot of gold per turn. So finally, I decide to sell her Replaceable Part and Corporation for 265 gpt and all her gold. Since both Zululand and Rusia already had these techs, if I don't sell to her, they will. Anyway, I'm just curious on where her money coming from. Since she is currently backward in tech and has no city -> no territory -> no resource or luxury for trading, where on earth would she comes up with 265 gpt. [/B]

Was Spain wiped out by you? Was it a quick war? Maybe she had sold some techs or mpp to other civs before her downfall and has some residual income?
 
@Civilizator: Decrease of corruption due to a bug/exploit...
You can check SirPlebs deity attempt thread (in this forum) for loads of details on this.
 
Originally posted by zerksees
Was Spain wiped out by you? Was it a quick war? Maybe she had sold some techs or mpp to other civs before her downfall and has some residual income?

May be that was the case because she still can aford to pay me 265 gpt now (5 turns after she signed the deal). Since then, 3 major cities had flipped back to her.:( Also, my reputation is totally ruined by Persia; I had MPP with Rusia and they attacked Rusia with an archer or something. I guess I don't have to protect my rep no more; will plant spy to locate those lone hiden settlers and will terminate Spain and Persia for good this time.


@Civilizator, you can read more about the reason for Palace Jump to those rare location in this article.
 
Originally posted by Civilizator
Does this exploit still work in conquests?
No. The Palace rank exploit and Ring City Placement were both negated. In addition to that, general corruption increased!.
 
Originally posted by superslug
No. The Palace rank exploit and Ring City Placement were both negated. In addition to that, general corruption increased!.

Oh well, I think I will stay with PTW and vanila Civ3 for the HoF games.
 
Originally posted by Moonsinger


Oh well, I think I will stay with PTW and vanila Civ3 for the HoF games.

Maybe, but I'm actually quite curious as to what the agricultural trait can do for a high scoring game... Extra food in the early game could be quite a difference maker.
 
Originally posted by Moonsinger
Well, my game is running at the crawling speed now (my P4-2.8 overlocked at 3.4 GHz is very fast, but it's really me that can't click the mouse fast enough).:( The year is 950 AD and the minimum time is around 3 hours per turn. I ran a 5 hours marathon last night and advanced just only 2 turns. Currently I'm manually directing over 500 hundred workers and around 250 offensive units in every turn. Current score around 6000 and gaining 181 points per turn. Just about 800 more tiles to domination.

-I was planning to enter a game with a huge map , like the one Moonsinger and SirPleb played , but i just now realised that that's impossible for my pc ( P2 333 MHz...its already rather slow with a standard map and 4 opponents! )
-I was just wondering if Moonsinger and SirPleb , or anybody else who played with a huge map , is directing as Moonsinger for example 500 hundred workers or any other unit one by one!!.....is that true? and if yes isnt any way to direct all units with one movement?...like Age of Empires lets say...
-sorry for my english ...
 
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