More discrimination from Israel: but this time it's not towards Palestinians

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The crowded room felt like a sauna, a natural effect of the scorching sun hitting the tin roof and the lack of a fan or air conditioner to ease the desert heat. Everyone was talking about the "Wine Route," the Israeli government's plan for a series of farms and wineries designed to draw tourists to the Negev, and the latest insult to its marginalized Bedouin population.

"It is high time to strategize," one person said. "There is no way to oppose it," another responded. This heated discussion went on for several minutes until people began settling down on the mats and pillows adorning the concrete floor.

The meeting's organizer, a coordinator from the Negev Coexistence Forum for Civil Equality, asked our hosts to speak. One after another, the Bedouin men stood up to relate their personal stories. They all told of the state-sanctioned abuse carried out against their community. Injustice followed injustice to produce a merciless tale of expulsion, violence, repression and deception.

Ali Abu Sheita recounted how his parents had been torn from their tribal land and transferred to a barren region where for years they had had to walk fifteen kilometers with their camels and donkeys just to bring water to the village. Yet in the Jewish village nearby, Abu Sheita continued, pipes delivered water directly to every sink. Halil al-Aseiby pointed to the high-voltage electric poles just outside the shack, emphasizing the regulation that forbids "unrecognized Bedouins" from connecting their homes to the power grid. "Even people who need to keep life-saving medicine refrigerated do not receive an exception," he said. Another man suddenly waved a demolition order that was pasted on his "illegal" shack on April 25. "Any day now," he said, "the bulldozers might arrive."

These Bedouins are Israeli citizens just as I am; their only crime is that they are not Jewish.

Bedouins are the indigenous people of Israel's arid Negev Desert. Before the establishment of the State of Israel, approximately 60,000 Bedouins lived in the area, but following the 1948 war only 11,000 or so remained; the rest fled or were expelled to Jordan and Egypt. Under the directives of Israel's first prime minister, David Ben-Gurion, those who remained in Israel were uprooted from the lands they had inhabited and were concentrated in the northeastern part of the Negev, a mostly barren area known as the "enclosure zone," while the more fertile western part of the Negev was reserved for Jewish settlement.

Throughout the 1950s and until the mid-1960s, a considerable portion of their ancestral lands was confiscated and registered as state land. In the 1970s about half of the Bedouin population was moved once again by the Israeli government, this time into seven townships. The idea was to concentrate the Bedouin population within a small area that makes up only a very small percentage of their original tribal lands, the land from which they had been expelled. These Bedouins had to give up all claims to their ancestral land in order to be granted the dubious privilege of living in these overcrowded townships.

The remaining half of the Bedouin population, which today totals about 75,000 people, were unwilling to give up their property rights and are now scattered across the Negev in forty-five villages that have never been recognized by the state.

I visited one of these villages recently with the Negev Coexistence Forum. No more than twenty-five minutes from my small but nice air-conditioned apartment are a series of Bedouin shantytowns. None of the homes in these unrecognized villages are connected to electricity grids, running water, a sewer network or telephone lines. There are no paved roads leading to the villages, and as a result, emergency services cannot reach them quickly, while access to other basic services--health, education and welfare--is difficult and limited.

These Bedouins are currently represented by the unrecognized regional council of the unrecognized villages (since the villages have not been recognized by the Israeli government, the Israeli government has also been unwilling to recognize the Bedouins' elected council). During our visit, council head Hsein al-Refaya pointed out that the unrecognized population suffers from an extremely high unemployment rate: approximately 60 percent for men and 85 percent for women. The population endures grinding poverty, a high rate of infant mortality, a shortage of skilled laborers and a high crime rate. Moreover, approximately 40 percent of the unrecognized Bedouin children drop out of school before graduating.

For years, these Bedouins have been struggling for their basic right to be recognized and to receive the same services that every other Israeli citizen is given by virtue of being a citizen. Their representatives have met with scores of government officials, testified in front of numerous committees and submitted a seemingly endless number of petitions to the Israeli courts. They have often been met with sympathy, but they have never encountered justice.

This is where the "Wine Route" comes in. The Israeli government is currently carrying out a land-use scheme that further violates the land rights of the Bedouins and intensifies their alienation from Israeli society. The "Wine Route" plan authorizes the construction of thirty private farms, which are supposed to cater to Israeli tourists. Some of these farms have already been built and are located on the same land that the Bedouins consider their own; all of the farms--built and planned--will receive the services that the Bedouins have been denied for several decades: running water, electricity and paved roads.

The "Wine Route" plan exposes the lie informing Israel's treatment of the unrecognized Bedouins. For years, Israeli officials have emphasized the need to concentrate the 75,000 Bedouins in large townships, stating that their forty-five villages are too small and scattered along a fairly large area, making it very difficult to provide them with infrastructure. This served to justify the policy of not recognizing them. And yet now, the very same officials are handing out permits to scores of scattered farms, which stretch across thousands of dunams (a dunam is approximately a quarter of an acre), each one home to a single family.

But the "Wine Route" does much more than expose Israel's lie. The farms, explains Ariel Dloomy of the Negev Coexistence Forum, insure that only Jewish citizens have access to large segments of the Negev; in this way they undermine the Bedouins' attempt to reclaim their ancestral land. One government document clearly states: "The reasons for initiating [these farms] is for protecting state land...and offering solutions for demographic issues." Incidentally, Dloomy adds, one farm was given to a Bedouin to serve as a fig leaf covering Israel's blatant discrimination against them.

Professor Oren Yiftachel, a political geographer from Ben-Gurion University whose work focuses on the relation between space and ethnicity, adds that the "Wine Route" initiative "draws a link between, on the one hand, Israel's longstanding efforts to restrict and circumscribe the space which its non-Jewish citizens are permitted to occupy and, on the other hand, new entrepreneurship projects. The state, in other words, is using entrepreneurs to advance its discriminatory practices, adopting, as it were, a new mechanism to prevent the Negev's Bedouin inhabitants from returning to their ancestral lands. Thus, in addition to demolishing their homes and spraying their crops with poison, now the government is building farms on their land."

"How," Abu Sheita asked the members of the Negev Coexistence Forum, "will you help us counter this initiative?"

"Our friends don't have access to the corridors of power, and we can't expect them to stop the longstanding discrimination of all past Israeli governments," the person next to him immediately answered.

"Perhaps not," Abu Sheita continued, "but we can expect them to try." And after a short silence he added: "The discrimination against the Bedouins is like a big boulder; a pickax can never break it with one fell swoop, but if you continue hitting for many years, it will eventually shatter."

This discrimination cannot be explained away by declaring the Beduoins terrorists. How will Israel cover up its racism now?
 
Doesnt seem right as i all i can say. There is no denying that theres not equal treatment for all races in israel.

And btw good job for brining up a topic not related to the U.S or george bush!
:thumbsup:
 
Xanikk999 said:
And btw good job for brining up a topic not related to the U.S or george bush! :thumbsup:

Ah, yes, but I think Israel/Palestinian race/poltics/terrorist threads are #3 on that list!

How about a nice thread about Ecuadorian middle-class angst?
 
To be fair to Israel (and I am no fan of her policies) pretty much all Arab countries oppress, fear and despise the Beduin.

If you want to enlarge the definition of Bedu as "homeless nomad" then it covers pretty much everywhere from Mongolia to the Great Plains.

Such people have no political and little economic power and are considered next to worthless.

I think this is wrong, but it is the way things are... but if it were not for the Beduin, Dead Sea Scrolls would never have been found. I think Israel owes them something for that restoration of heritage.
 
Discrimination? Yes. Racism? no. The Beduoin bare not a race.
 
But because they are not Jewish (born of a Jewish mother) they are discriminated against.

That IS Racism.
 
zulu9812 said:
from The Nation


This discrimination cannot be explained away by declaring the Beduoins terrorists. How will Israel cover up its racism now?

Zulu, I congratulate you on posting yet another peace-of-crap-article. One can only wonder: are you spending all your free time to search for crappiest stories on the web?

Beduins are serving in IDF, did you know that?
Bedouin's land CAN NOT be confiscated because they live in MIGRATING tribes. You see, they MIGRATE from place to place, like mongols did.
Another thing: young bedouings are the best car-burglars in Israel. Israeli police are AFFRAID of them.

Are you going to ever grow up?????
 
CruddyLeper said:
But because they are not Jewish (born of a Jewish mother) they are discriminated against.

That IS Racism.

There is no racism. This article is a peace of crap.
 
blackheart said:
Then refute the points and not attack the poster.

How am I supposed to refute a bare lie?
Let's play a game, I state: for the last 50 years the life quality of bedouings in Israel has improved from 250% to 300%. Wanna try to refute this?
 
By saying that, over the last 60 years, Bedouin population has dropped from 100% to 22%. And been confined to an area starting at 100% to about 1%.

Refute that... and refute the reason WHY is because these people are useless to the needs of the Jewish State.

We told, you, Homeland
You went for State.
Now you must live
with your racist mistake.
 
Leha said:
Are you going to ever grow up?????

First of all, let me say that you are in idiot. Now, let's take a closer look at what you've said.

Leha said:
Beduins are serving in IDF, did you know that?

Are you seriously suggesting that the pleasure of being conscripted into the IDF (all citizens have to serve, correct?) is an indication of equal treatment in a wider realm? How does that have any bearing on the discrimination outlined in the article?

Leha said:
Bedouin's land CAN NOT be confiscated because they live in MIGRATING tribes. You see, they MIGRATE from place to place, like mongols did.

That is the kind of Victorian attitude which I hoped humanity had moved on from. Migratory people don't wonder the earth with no purpose. They don't wander because they have no home. Migratory people tend to migrate across a set area. They do this so that they don't ravage the land's resources too much (the indigenous people of South America do this as well - see 'slash & burn'). They own land - or rather, they owned land before the Israelis took it off and relied on flunkies like you to swallow the lie that not settling in one piece means not having a home. The British pulled the same stunt with the Masai.

Leha said:
Another thing: young bedouings are the best car-burglars in Israel. Israeli police are AFFRAID of them.

That is a straight-up racist attitude. You should be ashamed of yourself. Did your mother bring you up to be a racist?
 
Leha said:
How am I supposed to refute a bare lie?
Let's play a game, I state: for the last 50 years the life quality of bedouings in Israel has improved from 250% to 300%. Wanna try to refute this?

The article in the first post refutes you. It says that unemployment is 85% and the people are ravaged by severe poverty.
 
zulu9812 said:
Are you seriously suggesting that the pleasure of being conscripted into the IDF (all citizens have to serve, correct?) is an indication of equal treatment in a wider realm? How does that have any bearing on the discrimination outlined in the article?

Not true. Military service is voluntary and typically non-combat for Muslim Israeli citizens.

Typically they get recruited by Israeli internal security Shin Bet (not Mossad, that's external) OR IDF Intel for use as informants.

This is why the official line is that no Arab serves the Israeli flag... not quite true. They usually just don't do it publicly.

Having said that, some Bedu do act as advisors for training in desert survival. They're more pragmatic about the needs of the individual, rather than the needs of one tribe or another tribe.
 
zulu9812 said:
Are you seriously suggesting that the pleasure of being conscripted into the IDF (all citizens have to serve, correct?) is an indication of equal treatment in a wider realm? How does that have any bearing on the discrimination outlined in the article?

Do you know english word volunteer? Vo-lun-te-er? Now tell me, how someone who is discriminated volunteers into army???


That is the kind of Victorian attitude which I hoped humanity had moved on from. Migratory people don't wonder the earth with no purpose. They don't wander because they have no home. Migratory people tend to migrate across a set area. They do this so that they don't ravage the land's resources too much (the indigenous people of South America do this as well - see 'slash & burn'). They own land - or rather, they owned land before the Israelis took it off and relied on flunkies like you to swallow the lie that not settling in one piece means not having a home. The British pulled the same stunt with the Masai.

So, tell me, oh soo wise Zulu, if migratory people migrate on huge territory, state has no right to take some of that territory for building cities, national parks and other necessary establishments? BRING BACK INDIANS!! BRING BACK MAORI!!!


That is a straight-up racist attitude. You should be ashamed of yourself. Did your mother bring you up to be a racist?

This is fact. They steal cars. I tell you truth.
 
zulu9812 said:
The article in the first post refutes you. It says that unemployment is 85% and the people are ravaged by severe poverty.

Unemployment means - someone doesn't work. That means - state pays him unemployment money, money of "discriminating bastards" Israeli jews and arabs. And now, please, explain me, where did work all those MIGRATING bedouins before Israel was established??????
 
CruddyLeper said:
By saying that, over the last 60 years, Bedouin population has dropped from 100% to 22%. And been confined to an area starting at 100% to about 1%.

Refute that... and refute the reason WHY is because these people are useless to the needs of the Jewish State.

We told, you, Homeland
You went for State.
Now you must live
with your racist mistake.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Society_&_Culture/Bedouin.html

Take that racist thingy out.
 
.Shane. said:
I know, thank god no Jews have ever stolen a car!

I never told that. Jews steal cars too. I just wanted to say that young bedouins in Negev are real professionals in that field. Why everybody takes that as some racist move. Maybe I wrote something wrong in english? :confused:
 
Moderator Action: Zulu - again you present a thread in a manner that is very close to being a straight-out troll thread.

Zulu9812 & Leha warned for flaming.

Either you improve the standard and turn this into a rational discussion, or it gets shut-down and those responsible held to account.

Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889
 
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