More options for diplomacy

[searcheagle]

Aussie's System isn't Micromanagement, its automation. If you want micromanagement with reguard to intelligence, look at CIV III! You have to order every view of EVERY city, EVERY action, EVERY ETC.

@Spatula: I'm not speaking as if i represent the dictionary, but I use guys as an all inclusive term.

Meriam-Websters: 3guy n : man, fellow; also, pl : persons <all the ~s came>
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[Spatula]

I hate MM so naturally distrust anything that looks like it.

Thanks for the definition (although I would have preffered OED to Webster). Now I know that he wasn't just assuming things ('Ass' out of 'u' and 'me' joke shortly to follow...oh, too late).

 

[Aussie_Lurker]

Yep, I agree with Searcheagle, Ladies and Gentlemen !!! As I said, the model I am proposing already exists in Birth of the Federation and, seriously, once I had allocated points I never really had to give any real thought! The only time I had to look into things was when I had a new 'enemy' I wanted to knobble, then I would adjust the points accordingly! If I could get a screenie of the intelligence screen, I would post it here for you-just to show you how EASY it is!!! I barely use intelligence in Civ3 because of the MM involved, and I CERTAINLY didn't use it much in Civ2!! The big thing in this model is that, as your IP pool increases over time, the new points are automatically allocated according to the percentages you have already determined earlier. So, say you build an improvement that gives you a +50 IP bonus, and you have a 25% allocation to espionage-well 12 IP points will AUTOMATICALLY be distributed into your espionage missions (increasing your success rate by 2% in the process!) Hope this makes sense!!

Yours,
Aussie_Lurker.

 

[Luthor_Saxburg]

One suggestion for Diplomacy Victory:
- The winner would be the one with more votes (50%+1)
- The abstain votes would not count
- If two nominees would get 50% of the votes, the owner of the UN would win.
- If there was below a certain number of Civ's (3?) there would be no election

Why this proposal? Did you ever think of Multiplayer Games? Can anyone win by a Diplo Victory? Who will not abstain if not nominated?
With this proposal, if everyone (but the nominees) would abstain the owner of the UN wonder would win! It would make the Wonder gain real value!
So, in order to prevent this from happening, at least one other person would have to vote... a real and careful diplomacy would have to occur.

In solo games, the player would have to think twice before asking for an election.
And not having the UN wonder could be dangerous! Also, by having at least a number of Civ's for it to happen would encourage players not to fully eliminate other Civ's.

This is a basic idea that needed development, but what I would really like is to make the Diplo Victory to be feasible in MP games!

 

[Steve2000]

You should be able to influence civs to feel positively about other civs. As it stands now you can ask someone to declare war or cancel trade deals - but how about a request to make a trade deal? You should be able to influence someone to start trading with someone else thereby improving their relations.

I though of this because often I will be "friendly" with a couple of civs and they will love me. They share religion, we trade techs, etc - but they may HATE each other and get mad at me for being friends with both of them. Or alternatively I may meet someone new and want to bring them into the group, but I can't get everyone in my group to like them. I wish I could offer gold or technologies in exchange for one civ to be more friendly with another.

 

[molst]

What do you think of being able to use weapons for diplomatic pressure rather than just for destruction and city stacking? Sounds interesting? Please put your comment in this thread:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=236818

 

[Walkin]

I dont know if this has been mentioned, but you should be able to have a military intelligence agreement - where you grant civ A the ability to see all military units of civ B that you can see. (based on FoW)

 

[Aussie_Lurker]

Ha, ha. What I love is that I finally PREVAILED! In effect, BtS now has an Espionage Point system much like what I wanted. Sure you need a spy unit to enact these missions, but that's better-gives you more control over missions and avoids all this "Hand of God" stuff! Yay for me !

Aussie.