More Religions?

[TheLastOne36]

Do you think we don't have enough religions? i think there's space to add 1 or 2 in BtS.

If they do put in more religions in BtS which religion's do you think will be added.

Also i think if they add civil wars, then one of the reasons they can be caused is by, for example, Half your empire is Christian and half is protestant. or if your muslim, Sunni and Shiite.

What do you think?

 

[automator]

Also i think if they add civil wars

I've been a proponent for this sort of thing for a while. Or at least religion playing a part in cities revolting to another empire.

 

[Da_V_Man]

Half your empire is Christian and half is protestant.

What do you think?

You mean, Half is Cotholic and Half is protestant. They're both Christian.

 

[TheLastOne36]

yes sorry for the mistake. But religion could be the leading cause of civil war.

 

[Antilogic]

Indeed, but you could just as easily have a Christian/Muslim induced civil war.

I'm trying to think of another major religion that would deserve an 8th slot, and I'm coming up dry. I checked out the largest religions on Wikipedia to see if I could get any ideas, and it really didn't help. The secular category is quite large, but far too varied to have "temples" and "shrines" to go along with it. What about Sikhism, Jainism, and Shintoism? Quite small groupings, I think.

 

[ParkCungHee]

Zoroastarianism. Really it deserves to be in the game.

 

[Rancid Sushi]

Indeed, but you could just as easily have a Christian/Muslim induced civil war.

I'm trying to think of another major religion that would deserve an 8th slot, and I'm coming up dry. I checked out the largest religions on Wikipedia to see if I could get any ideas, and it really didn't help. The secular category is quite large, but far too varied to have "temples" and "shrines" to go along with it. What about Sikhism, Jainism, and Shintoism? Quite small groupings, I think.

Secular temples and shrines? You mean universities and cable news outlets?

 

[Antilogic]

Secular temples and shrines? You mean universities and cable news outlets?

If you are serious, then you need to lay off Dubya's specialty Kool-Aid. It's starting to mess with your head.

 

[Epileptic]

More religions wouldn't be a problem. Zoroastrianism and Mormonism would be two good ones. I really wish they would make religions random when you research a religious tech, though. It gets boring playing Buddhism vs. Hinduism in most of the games. Christianity coming before Judaism wouldn't make much sense, but it would at least make things a little different each game. At the very least it should be a selectable option for custom games.

 

[Antilogic]

Why Mormonism? I can see Zoroastrianism because it used to be the state religion of Persia, it's one of the original religions based on a divine revelation, and was quite popular many years ago, but Mormonism is still small, limited mostly to a few regions of the United States, and is much more recent than any of the other religions in the game. Not to mention they consider themselves Christian.

 

[Epileptic]

It wouldn't be too bad to add a late religion I think. It would come far too late to offer much of a benefit to make it the state religion since you'd probably have Free Religion already or currently using a different religion for Organized Religion or Theocracy. It wouldn't spread too far I assume because of how late it's been founded. All in all it wouldn't do much else but contribute to happiness, but I'd still like to see one.

Mormonism is a very rapidly growing religion to the point where it may become a major world religion down the road. As far as Mormons considering themselves Christian, that's true. However, Christianity and Judaism are related and they're separate entities in the game. The gap is probably smaller between Mormonism and Christianity, though.

If they wanted to put in a late game religion that's totally unique I guess they could go with Scientology? That's a pretty different one right there.

 

[Antilogic]

It wouldn't be too bad to add a late religion I think. It would come far too late to offer much of a benefit to make it the state religion since you'd probably have Free Religion already or currently using a different religion for Organized Religion or Theocracy. It wouldn't spread too far I assume because of how late it's been founded. All in all it wouldn't do much else but contribute to happiness, but I'd still like to see one.

Mormonism is a very rapidly growing religion to the point where it may become a major world religion down the road. As far as Mormons considering themselves Christian, that's true. However, Christianity and Judaism are related and they're separate entities in the game. The gap is probably smaller between Mormonism and Christianity, though.

If they wanted to put in a late game religion that's totally unique I guess they could go with Scientology? That's a pretty different one right there.

Judaism and Christianity branched around two millenia ago, while Christianity and Mormonism branched...in 1829, I think? It just seems that if you are going to put in Mormonism, you need to break up Christianity into East Orthodox, Catholicism, Protestantism, and Mormonism. But that's way too much, and if you did the same for Islam and other religions...it would be a mess.

Now, if in 50 years Mormonism has several hundred million followers, then I'd give it a vote for a Civ religion. But right now, there are dozens of other small religions that could be selected, and Mormonism just doesn't have the centuries of history behind it that the other game religions have. Zoroastrianism actually predates Judaism (I think--the timeline is a bit fuzzy as to when Zoroaster lived), and thus has centuries of existence to justify its addition to the game.

I think I'm satisfied with the current number of religions in the game myself, but I'm open for a debate.

 

[Epileptic]

Judaism and Christianity branched around two millenia ago, while Christianity and Mormonism branched...in 1829, I think? It just seems that if you are going to put in Mormonism, you need to break up Christianity into East Orthodox, Catholicism, Protestantism, and Mormonism. But that's way too much, and if you did the same for Islam and other religions...it would be a mess.

Now, if in 50 years Mormonism has several hundred million followers, then I'd give it a vote for a Civ religion. But right now, there are dozens of other small religions that could be selected, and Mormonism just doesn't have the centuries of history behind it that the other game religions have. Zoroastrianism actually predates Judaism (I think--the timeline is a bit fuzzy as to when Zoroaster lived), and thus has centuries of existence to justify its addition to the game.

I think I'm satisfied with the current number of religions in the game myself, but I'm open for a debate.

I agree that it would be an overload to have all chapters of Christianity, but I would consider Mormonism to be different enough to justify its own identity. It may not be as big of a difference as Christianity and Judaism, but I think it's sufficiently different and that's where my opinion differs I guess. I don't know much about the other religions in the game and their branches so I'll leave those alone. Maybe there's a branch out there that's so radically different that it almost dictates its own religion, but I wouldn't know.

As far as Mormonism getting to even one hundred million followers in fifty years, it's doubtful. However it does have a very high birth rate so that would mean exponentially growing, and in fifty years it could very well double or triple in size. In a hundred years maybe one hundred million members though. It would be close. This makes it so much different than a branch like Catholicism that's actually decreasing in size due to a low birth rate.

And Zoroastrianism is the first major monotheistic religion known, well predating Judaism. But as of now it has approximately a quarter of a million followers, very low.

Edit: Actually, Catholicism has a continually decreasing birth rate, but I don't think the number of members is decreasing. Christianity as a whole has decreasing members due to low birth rates.

 

[ParkCungHee]

Zoroastrianism actually predates Judaism (I think--the timeline is a bit fuzzy as to when Zoroaster lived), and thus has centuries of existence to justify its addition to the game.

Zoroaster I think should be in because of the influence they played on other religions. Zoroastorians strongly influenced Judaism and Christianity, so much so that Zoroastorians play a major role in the new testament (three kings).

 

[Yeekim]

IF there was to be another religion, I'd vote for Zoroastrianism too. However, I think 7 is enough and more is hardly necessary. Even now, the latest ones usually play almost no role in the game.

 

[ParkCungHee]

IF there was to be another religion, I'd vote for Zoroastrianism too. However, I think 7 is enough and more is hardly necessary. Even now, the latest ones usually play almost no role in the game.

Well, I think that is the most serious issue in need of balancing. Total Realism does a pretty good job of that.

 

[TheLastOne36]

My idea is of bringing religion in the game a bigger role, and to be able to cause both peaceful and harmful things to your empire.

Introducing religion was pretty cool but haven't you noticed how big religion played in our history, particularly in Europe and the middle east? so I think religion needs a bigger role in the game.

 

[GeorgeOP]

What about Roman/Greek/Egyptian "mythology" religion. I'm not sure what to call it, but it was the major belief for a long time.

 

[lutzj]

in the manual, it says that they did testing and found 7 to be the optimum number . however, you could create a whole new religion- like category, such as language. languages could be founded through writing, alphabet, education, etc. Or some thing else. Anyway, 7 is best.

What about Roman/Greek/Egyptian "mythology" religion. I'm not sure what to call it, but it was the major belief for a long time.

that "religion" is embodied by Hinduism, the largest modern polytheistic religion

 

[TheLastOne36]

What about Shintoism?