More SMAniaC faction makeovers

Also, Maniac, you might want to consider the epaulette-less version I posted as a first draft, if only because I'd like to do different size/crops for each of the N*matt triplettes, and yours would be the easiest by far as the least altered.

Thoughts about the ideal size/crop for the Templars are welcome. The original shot at original size is posted in the alt.factions thread.
 
Furthermore, we need to decide if the Templars are going to stay South African (fascists). If they are, I need to make him paler, obviously- I’m torn between my need to customize the triplets and my very strong feeling that all-white line-ups in futuristic fantasies are an insult to the large majority of the world/ just plain harmful and bad.

(If you aren’t familiar with the stories already, google Lt Uhura together with Martin Luther King and Whoppi Goldberg. It’s a very educational point of view -as regards minority representation in North America, at the very least.)

I think what’s best for you and the faction is to move the Templars’ leader's origin out of South Africa…

(I can totally make the brunette we like for the Shadow Ghosts from faintly Eurasian to full Japanese or something, too.)
 
The mystery of the real Salam*h N*matt got to me--

I finaly found, on the site for Americans for Informed Democracy, to which he is an advisor, some hard-core think-tank cred:

"For a brief period in 1999, he served as Head of the Strategy Unit at Jordan's Royal Court, an advisory post for the king. He resigned two months after taking the job due to policy differences with the government over democratic reforms . Returned shortly afterwards to Al-Hayat."
 
Personally I don't think its an issue from the perspective that Maniac is using his version for SMAniaC, I'm using mine for Beta Lyrae, and only vyeh will be using it in any AC stuff. Never the three shall meet. Anyways, thats my take.

And there is no reason for Buster's Uncle to do unnecessary extra work if the same leader head will serve in all three factions. We really appreciate having a graphics person around!
 
Thanks for saying so.

But, v, you're in the clear- I don't wanna fool with the Strategist unless we decide to change the background. I just now dropped in a larger-in-the-frame Singh and sent the half-complete Empathi for Darsnan to have a look at.

Don't worry- I've complained about unnecessary work when I felt it was warranted, and will again.

I want them to be good, and you're not going to talk me out of feeling that unique as is practical is part of that.


I'm curious if there are any AC-heads on the forum who self-identify as other than white who can chip in about minority (in North America) representation, and what it means to them. C'mon; dish.
 
BTW, Maniac, I had a look at Linda's site you linked, finally, and the interface sucks- I've only found the paper mache' masks so far, but as it happens I do a lot of work in paper mache' masks -my sister teaches reader's theater- so I'm enjoying that page a lot. Thanks.

Darsnan, I see you're here. I posted/sent you the link, and attached the zip.
 
I don't know much about Argentina. Here in the states, persons of Spanish/native ethnic mix, even fairly pale ones, are considered/self-identify as not, or more accurately, not-quite white.

I understand that pretty universally in Central and South America, people lie and claim a great deal more European blood than they have. I believe if you check Wikipeda’s phrasing, it doesn’t actually contradict me. But I cannot claim any knowledge of the actual ethnic spread.

Argentina is kinda different than the rest of South- and Central-America though.
1) It had no empire with a large native population, as in Mexico or the Andes.
2) There were no large slave imports AFAIK.
3) Argentina has a temperate climate, which attracted plenty of European immigrants (similar to South Africa, Australia and of course the US)

I am. Wish I had Beyond the Sword, but my computer doesn’t get along with CIV 4 satisfactorily anyway and I haven’t made anything for my own use in over a month, besides. Got a lot of AC eggs juggling right now, though.

Crap. I guess that means you'd never be interested in turning the empath specialist icon into something that looks well in 56x56 size?

However, if I was more invested in the faction or even not so very eager to differentiate multiple iterations of the Nematt portrait for different factions, I’d argue that the Templars are clearly, near-explicitly, fascists.

Yes, true. I'm not 100% convinced myself removing the epaulette is a good idea. ;)
The Templar are a psi faction though. I assume the ruling elite would just like to control everything from above, and see their military as a tool, not something they want to be part of themselves.

Sure. Totally saved it large, uncropped, watchless, and as a .bmp. I don’t think epaulette removal twice is an issue. How? Email?

If that's what you prefer. I'll send you a PM. Is the file too large to attach here?

2.) She really needs, as the minimal change I’d be happy with, traces of a lab coat showing. Only Gaians are allowed to walk around naked, right?.

Ah, good point, I agree.
Could I also have a not-resized pic of her with the labcoat? I just had the thought, she might be able to pass as a younger version of Aki Zeta-5, before cyborgification. I could use that pic as a University leader (Aki Luttinen) in Planetfall, and let the pic switch if the University converts to the Consciousness. (The Consciousness is a 'religion', not a faction, in Planetfall)

Screw Lorenzo Lamas and non-white. I wanna spend my time looking at her, given the choice. I have to spend a LOT of time looking at some of these portraits as I work on them.

-I could make her complexion darker.

The first second I saw the pic, I actually thought she was Chinese. :blush: Upon closer inspection, yeah, she's probably not. Still, let's say she's from Harbin, Manchuria. That city used to be Russian, so we could say she has some Russian blood in her. So no need for skin changes then.

What were we talking about? Oh yeah- Maniac, you might want to nip over to 'poly and have a gander at how I made the uniform brown for vyeh.

I think that uniform looks great. A reason for it might be the background though. It kinda fits well with the 'black' chess tiles. I'm not sure the brown would work with the original background.

Furthermore, we need to decide if the Templars are going to stay South African (fascists).

My first thought was to make him Egyptian - Egypt has AFAIK less civil liberties than Jordan, and of course the leader of such a faction should come from an authoritarian environment. Then it dawned upon me that a muslim would NEVER call his faction the freaking TEMPLAR. (that name is inspired from StarCraft btw, not from history)
So I'd say make him Lebanese. There're still christians there, and Lebanon happens to be the core region of the Templar (or at least some crusader states).

The Empathi have already claimed zoomed-in-to-the-head-and-shoulders, BTW. Would we like to show a teeny bit more of the Templar leader, by any chance?

You mean of the body? I don't think that's a good idea. I mean, as of now already a much smaller part of the face is shown than on the other SMAC portraits.

BTW, Maniac, I had a look at Linda's site you linked, finally, and the interface sucks- I've only found the paper mache' masks so far, but as it happens I do a lot of work in paper mache' masks -my sister teaches reader's theater- so I'm enjoying that page a lot. Thanks.

LOL haven't found a section on papier maché myself.
The Bergkvist pic is Blue Eyes on this page: http://www.furiae.com/gallery.php?section=ruby
 
The .bmp was too big to post- here it is as .jpg- I can still email .bmp if you like.

A full reply will take a bit to write- it'll be up later.
 

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Thanks. I'd love an e-mail with bitmap - AFAIK jpeg means loss of quality.

Do you also have an unresized pic of Darsnan's version by the way? Or did you work on the resized pic? I think that background change looks great.
 
I've sent you those things I promised.

Argentina is kinda different than the rest of South- and Central-America though.
1) It had no empire with a large native population, as in Mexico or the Andes.
2) There were no large slave imports AFAIK.
3) Argentina has a temperate climate, which attracted plenty of European immigrants (similar to South Africa, Australia and of course the US)

Ah. There was an influx of Germans in the 40’s, I’ve heard, and Blue Meanies in the sixties. I don’t know how demographically significant either group was, though you’d think both would turn up during coups and make the international news, so maybe not billions of either. And Eva Peron was pretty pale, but then she was born in Brazil, wasn’t she?

I think you’ll grant that I’m not that ignorant for a North American, though. I actually know and remember that Central and South Americans hate when we call ourselves “Americans”, so my tacking of the “North” on the front isn’t to include Canada.

I half want to argue to move the Genesis leader away from Argentina, then, and half just to use what we’ve got. I’ll do the Templars first, though, in case you rethink.

Crap. I guess that means you'd never be interested in turning the empath specialist icon into something that looks well in 56x56 size?
Sure, I’ll take a run at it. I’m getting so I don’t even loathe Photoshop anymore. Much.

Yes, true. I'm not 100% convinced myself removing the epaulette is a good idea. ;)
The Templar are a psi faction though. I assume the ruling elite would just like to control everything from above, and see their military as a tool, not something they want to be part of themselves.
Good enough for me.


Ah, good point, I agree.
Could I also have a not-resized pic of her with the labcoat? I just had the thought, she might be able to pass as a younger version of Aki Zeta-5, before cyborgification. I could use that pic as a University leader (Aki Luttinen) in Planetfall, and let the pic switch if the University converts to the Consciousness. (The Consciousness is a 'religion', not a faction, in Planetfall)
Sure, when I’ve done it. Shall we edit Linda’s last name out of our posts in case of vanity searches, then?

The first second I saw the pic, I actually thought she was Chinese. :blush: Upon closer inspection, yeah, she's probably not. Still, let's say she's from Harbin, Manchuria. That city used to be Russian, so we could say she has some Russian blood in her. So no need for skin changes then.
I’d guess she’s maybe Japanese- northerners have pronounced cheekbones and pale skin- with heavy eye make-up to make her eyes rounder- I can undo that.

If we make them all from places that would let them look white, we’ve just moved them around, not made the line-up more multicultural. I want to darken her- otherwise the Templars are the only non-whitening we’ve done, and only two non-whites is bad enough.

Replacing albino with pale doesn’t count.

I think that uniform looks great. A reason for it might be the background though. It kinda fits well with the 'black' chess tiles. I'm not sure the brown would work with the original background.

I wasn’t offering to do the same brown. I can change the background color, too.

My first thought was to make him Egyptian - Egypt has AFAIK less civil liberties than Jordan, and of course the leader of such a faction should come from an authoritarian environment. Then it dawned upon me that a muslim would NEVER call his faction the freaking TEMPLAR. (that name is inspired from StarCraft btw, not from history)
So I'd say make him Lebanese. There're still christians there, and Lebanon happens to be the core region of the Templar (or at least some crusader states).
Excellent. Sound reasoning. I’m sold.


You mean of the body? I don't think that's a good idea. I mean, as of now already a much smaller part of the face is shown than on the other SMAC portraits.

Here’s another size/crop for your approval. Zoomed in more, but leaving the top of his crossed arms in the frame- that should address your good point, yet be different enough for me.
templar2.jpg



LOL haven't found a section on papier maché myself.
The Bergkvist pic is Blue Eyes on this page: http://www.furiae.com/gallery.php?section=ruby
Only had a quick glance so far, but some nice stuff...


I’d sent the mask link to my sister, who replied today that it made her want to put on a show with just the lovely, lovely masks. I replied that I’m game- she should write up a commentary on the nature of identity and the faces we show the world. I followed up with a suggestion that- here, I’ll quote

“...In fact, I suspect the artist would be flattered enough by being contacted by an academic interested in featuring her work that she'd provide much nicer masks than I could make, or at least grant permission to rip off her work, in return for photos and info about the production, perhaps video.

You have a cred/status someone interested in promoting herself ought to like to make use of.”

…So maybe a little good pay-back there.
 
No one in the community has ever seemed to worry about things like stealing work from outside the community (and mostly inside- all usually uncredited, too), including you and I. I see this as a similar issue.
I read a fascinating doctoral dissertation on textual poaching by a colleague of my sister once that speaks to this a lot.

The Wikipedia entry on textual poaching is a load of crap, in that it only mentions Star Trek fandom -which pretty much invented and trademarked the phenomenon, and which is the primary focus of the book- once.. I smell vandalism by a Star Wars nerd.

Just wanted to note that there's been serious academic attention given to the kind of thing we're doing when we use a picture off the net in making a custom faction. I guarantee that all the professors who've taken an interest are geeks like us, but still.

I could try to find a link to the dissertation I read if anyone’s interested in reading a very dry book with fascinating insights about us. My sister’s a good influence on me.

Ok. Here's the edition I read, for sale on Amazon http://www.amazon.com/Textual-Poache.../dp/0415905729



Full response to Hydro pending.
 
Just wanted to note that there's been serious academic attention given to the kind of thing we're doing when we use a picture off the net in making a custom faction.

I've always tried to give credit where credit is due, especially in the scenarios I design where I've utilized other people's ideas. That being said I have been playing the game a while (10 years now!?! :wow: ) , so I don't always remember where I originally got the ideas from.

As far as utilizing pics off the web is concerned: we really haven't had many graphics people in our community, so I don't think its been a significant topic of discussion before now. From my perspective we're being very green in that we're recycling. :yup: Or you can take the approach that everyone and everything copies ideas/ designs: the Romans were famous for importing good ideas from other cultures and making them their own. Heck, even Mother Nature knows a good thing and copies it (what was that marsupial carnivore which looked and acted just like a wolf?).

Anyways, from my experience/ observation the people in the SMACX community do try to give credit where credit is due. However I don't personally consider it a high priority in regards to the ethicalness (is that even a word :undecide: ) of utilizing other peoples ideas/ materials.

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I take the attitude that as long as I'm scrupulous about credit within the community, I'm still a good guy.

It sounds sleazy to say that no one outside our tribe is harmed because they'll never know. But it is nonetheless valid and true. I do consider myself generally more ethical than the next guy, and I'm fine with it.
 
I take the attitude that as long as I'm scrupulous about credit within the community, I'm still a good guy.

You are a good person for taking the time to ensure everyone receives their due credit.

It sounds sleazy to say that no one outside our tribe is harmed because they'll never know.

I'll let the Romans and Mother Nature know how you feel.

In other news the Empathi had been very interesting to play against: still fine-tuning them, but getting closer. I'll see about posting a scaled pic of their updated Datalinks when I get home this evening. Oh, and that Morganite Vlagosz is still not getting with the program - I'm gonna have to get midevil on his arse..... :trouble:


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