MSNBC's "creative editing"

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...s-wawa-moment/2012/06/19/gJQApHH0nV_blog.html

MSNBC and Andrea Mitchell are under fire from Sooper Mexican, Politico, The Atlantic, among others for how it portrayed the appearance. The rap against MSNBC: Its treatment plays up Romney’s reaction to Wawa’s “touchtone” sandwich-ordering system. “It’s amazing,” Romney tells the crowd. But the treatment doesn’t put his take on the machine in the context of his argument that the private sector knows how to compete, but the federal government does not. In introducing the short clip, Mitchell supposed that the comments could be Romney’s “supermarket scanner moment.”

According to a campaign source, the Romney people reached out to MSNBC over the editing of the tape. They apparently were not happy about it. We’ll see what MSNBC has to say; no response just yet.
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i'll have to look into it but dammit MSNBC don't stoop to that level.
 
So, instead of derailing that thread, a new thread was made.

Isn't that what's always suggested? This thread isn't about X, if you want to discuss X make a thread about it. So I say: jolly good show!
 
Ziggy Stardust said:
So, instead of derailing that thread, a new thread was made.

Isn't that what's always suggested? This thread isn't about X, if you want to discuss X make a thread about it. So I say: jolly good show!
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Agreed.
I like the super creative title too.

I can't say which, FN, or MSNBC, for certain, edits the truth more often... because it's a close race.

Now we need a third thread.
Comparative creative editing between MSNBC and FN.

Edit: What a terrible editing job/point, by the way... Wawa's? So fricking what... That's what the go at him for? I liked the look of utter disdain from the female anchor after the clip was shown, hahahahahaha.
 
Ziggy Stardust said:
So, instead of derailing that thread, a new thread was made.

Isn't that what's always suggested? This thread isn't about X, if you want to discuss X make a thread about it. So I say: jolly good show!
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I was merely pointing out that most people had already discussed this matter at length, and instead of repeating it all it could be read there instead.

kochman said:
I can't say which, FN, or MSNBC, for certain, edits the truth more often... because it's a close race.
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Right. Because it has apparently happened once at MSNBC and occurs regularly at Fox News, they are just the same. Again, bias is not the same as deliberately lying and propagandizing no matter how frequently the are conflated.

kochman said:
Edit: What a terrible editing job/point, by the way... Wawa's? So fricking what... That's what the go at him for? I liked the look of utter disdain from the female anchor after the clip was shown, hahahahahaha.
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What's even funnier is if you watch the full clip and realize why Romney was even whining in the first place. He has yet to prove that an apparently incompetent orthopedist has to fill out a 3-hour form to merely change billing address. Much less how a touch screen at a remote government location would possibly make it any easier.

And Romney did have an exaggerated reaction to Wawa (not Wawas as Romney called it) having a touch screen entry system available to customers instead of employees, which is quite typical. Her point that he is completely out of "touch" with reality still holds. That really had nothing to do with the context of his remark.
 
kochman said:
Now we need a third thread.
Comparative creative editing between MSNBC and FN.
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Such a thread would show a slanted picture towards more frequent editing by FN, since liberals are the only people anal enough to hawkishly watch Fox News and jump on all the honest mistakes they make. Conservatives on the other hand don't care about these matters. They have more grown-up businesses to attend to.
Formaldehyde said:
I was merely pointing out that most people had already discussed this matter at length, and instead of repeating it all it could be read there instead.
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Fairy muff!
 
Formaldehyde said:
Right. Because it has apparently happened once at MSNBC and occurs regularly at Fox News, they are just the same.
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Once? Hahahaha.
Once, as reported by MSNBC, more like. I see a new accusation every damn week, just as frequently as I see for FN. Wake up and get your head out of the propaganda for once.
Try this... www.google.com
Try searching MSNBC lies...
Here, I'll give you the link, do a little searching.
Most of those links, while reported by right wing bloggers (funnily, left wingers aren't reporting it, too busy fact checking FN I suppose, but that's ok)... there are verifiable, and repeated, incidents of lying.

What's even funnier is if you watch the full clip and realize why Romney was even whining in the first place. He has yet to prove that an apparently incompetent orthopedist has to fill out a 3-hour form to merely change billing addresses.
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Wait, I thought you were a Romney fan :lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
kochman said:
Once? Hahahaha.
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Then I'm sure you won't have any problem at all finding even one more example of a similar nature from a reputable source, instead of the rantings of the far-right propaganda mills you dug up with a "google search".

You are comparing apples and oranges here. While legitimate news organizations do occasionally make mistakes like everybody else they own up to them, unlike Fox News. Calling them all "lies" is just more far-right partisan propaganda.
 
Formaldehyde said:
IRight. Because it has apparently happened once at MSNBC......
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Amazing.

Anyways, just like in the other thread, despite this (and other examples), I still regard MSNBC as a valid news media source. And as I mentioned in that other thread, sometimes these are simple mistakes and sometimes not. I get the vibe that this one was a lame attempt at humor gone wrong, but thats just me.

Is this really worth getting wrapped around the axle for?
 
Formaldehyde said:
Then I'm sure you won't have any problem at all finding even one more example of a similar nature from a reputable source, instead of the rantings of the far-right propaganda mills you dug up with a "google search".

You are comparing apples and oranges here. While legitimate news organizations do occasionally make mistakes like everybody else they own up to them, unlike Fox News. Calling them all "lies" is just more far-right partisan propaganda.
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Uh, you get your FN stuff from far-left propaganda mills, but they are accurate. Newsflash, right wing bloggers are going to fact check left wing news, and left wing bloggers are going to fact check right wing news, and we should be glad to get the truth from either source (when verifiable)
As I said, you can use the links to verify... If you aren't concerned about learning the truth, that's your problem not mine.

The difference is, Formy, I'm not at all far-right... I'm an established centrist (who plays devil's advocate here, which is a heavily left forum).

MSNBC actively lies and misleads, just like FN does... If you refuse to consider that, or spend 5 minutes looking into it, I don't lose anything, and you stay in the dark. Your call.
 
kochman said:
The difference is, Formy, I'm not at all far-right... I'm an established centrist (who plays devil's advocate here, which is a heavily left forum).

MSNBC actively lies and misleads, just like FN does... If you refuse to consider that, or spend 5 minutes looking into it, I don't lose anything, and you stay in the dark. Your call.
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Statements like these aren't a "centrist" position at all, much less that you apparently don't know the difference between lying, mistakes, and biased opinion.

Like any other legitimate news organization, MSNBC doesn't lie and mislead, much less "actively". That is the realm of Fox News and the websites you just posted above from a ludicrous google search which only resulted in "far-right" websites being located.

But if you wish to "stay in the dark" by merely repeating what these far-right websites falsely allege, it is "your call".
 
Formaldehyde said:
Making statements like these show you aren't really a "centrist" at all, much less that you apparently don't know the difference between lying, mistakes, and biased opinion.

Like any other legitimate news organization, MSNBC doesn't lie and mislead, much less "actively". That is the realm of Fox News and the websites you just posted above from a ludicrous google search which only resulted in "far-right" websites being located.
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Um, yeah... Only the right wing news channel lies... you're right formy.
And, I'm not centrist, because I insist that both MSNBC and FN do it, I'm far-right wing.
Don't bother spending a few minutes to look into the claims, which are about as even handed as it comes, that MSNBC is just as bad as FN.

You make zero sense, whatsoever. I wonder if it even registers in your brain that both sides, at the core, have similar people within them that have and push their agendas... probably not, since you are, clearly, one of those very people.

Like I said, if you refuse to open your eyes for a minute or two, it's your loss, not mine. You've got yourself pretty squarely pegged on this site anyhow.
 
There is only one "right wing news channel". And it obviously lies based on hundreds of documented cases. Even you admit it.

OTOH the same is obviously not true with MSNBC, or any other legitimate news provider, despite the incessant whining of the "far-right" to the contrary.
 
I would say that both MSNBC and Fox have clearly allied themselves to a political side.

I still would think that the way Fox News promoted and advertised themselves to the TEA party for instance shows their level of activism is far greater than MSNBC's who's display of bias is of a more passive variety, but still journalism-unworthy.
 
There is no doubt that MSNBC is highly biased on the opposite side from Fox News. Virtually any news organization is biased at least to some extent. But it is clearly not the same as lying and propagandizing.

I really have no problem with bias. It is easy enough to detect by anybody who gets their current events from more than one source.
 
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