My Calabim Guide

[hegemonkhan]

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[Grey Fox]

Even if sacrifice the weak civic gives -50% great person penalty it's still a good civic for Alexis. But Alexis might wanna stay Overlords longer and milk out GPP from the city with Tower of Complacency.

I havn't gotten so far yet to see the full effect of a city with the Governor's Manor. But it should work best with sacrifice the weak.

And to put an end to the Farms vs Cottages under financial discussion: If you are Calabim, you ARE gonna run Heavily on farms. And my point is, Flauros will get +1 commerce on every farm you run, EVERY FARM.

 

[BCalchet]

Math is good and all, the only problem is... you're not using it. You just threw a load of math up there, then kept repeating the same baseless idea.

While I'm usually opposed to doing so, I'll pick your post apart.

20 commerce x 100% (1.0) = 40 commerce compared to 10 commerce x 100% =20

20 commerce x 100% = 20 commerce. 10 commerce x 100% = 10 commerce. What's that about math, again?

4 (3+1 fin) farm vs 8 (7+1 fin) cotage: per single farm and cottage:

4 + (4 x 25% library)= 4+1=5=not a big boost to farms: 4->5 commerce

8 + (8 x 25% library)=8+2=10 commerce not a big boost to cottage either: 8->10 commerce

All you did here is prove libraries give a 25% boost to research, regardless of it you're using farms or cottages. Good job, Einstein.

now lets take 20 tiles of cottages vs 20 tiles of farm:

20 tiles x 4 commerce per farm=80 commerce + (80 x 25%)= 80+20=100 commerce: 80->100 for farm

20 tiles x 8 commerce per cottage=160 commerce + (160 x 25%) =160+40=200 commerce: 160->200 for cotages

im too lazy to see percent but id mouch rather be making 200 commerce than 100 commerce

Wow, you did it again! Libraries add 25% even if you have TWENTY TILES! I wonder why nobody nominated you for a Nobel prize yet?

if i've done my math right they are both the same percent wise=1/5 growth...i think i might have done something wrong maybe..or maybe not...its been long time since i've done math.....
Oh, your math isn't right, and even if it were, all you'd prove is that libraries work just like their description says. Now, what does that have to do with anything, again?

20 tiles x 4 commerce per farm=80 commerce + (80 x 100%)= 80+80=160 commerce: 80->160 for farm

20 tiles x 8 commerce per cottage=160 commerce + (160 x 100%) =160+160=320 commerce: 160->320 for cotages

Wait, what? Here, you're apparently attempting to prove 8 is twice as large a number as 4. Again, good job, but... why?

ah now i know what i messed up on...... I was comparing them the wrong way ... haha my bad ...
I knew they couldnt have the same percent!!!

20 tiles x 3 commerce per farm=60 commerce + (60 x 100%)= 60+60=120 commerce: 60->120 for farm

20 tiles x 7 commerce per cottage=140 commerce + (140 x 100%) =140+140=280 commerce: 140->280 for cotages

3 commerce farm (no fin trait)=60->120 vs 4 commerce farm (fin traited)=80->160= 75% (3/4) differ

7 commerce cot (no fin trait)=140->280 vs 8 comerce cot (fin traited)=160->320= 87.5% (7/8) differ

fin trait boosts farms' commerce by 75%
fin trait boosts cotages' comerce by 87.5%

fin trait boost: farm < cotage

uses to total commerce

That'd be neat, IF IT WERE TRUE! Fin trait boosts 3-commerce farms' commerce by 33%. It boosts 7-commerce cottages' commerce by roughly 14%. It's official - you fail at math. (It boosts farms by 1/3 and cottages by 1/7 - not 3/4 and 7/8 - to do that, it'd have to add 2.25 commerce per tile for farms, and over 7 commerce per tile for cottages!)

fin trait helps out cotages more than farms in turns of total comerce of city with libraries etc.. that give % bon

No.

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sorry bcalchet but i've finally did/got the math done right and actually it IS cotages that get more boost than farms do. if your still in denial u can argue with the correctly done math ... goodluck! I have yet to see a person beat out correctly done math in an arguement and real life with engineering or theoretical physics or astronomy or whatever math is the key to the universe from black holes to building a bridge to proving that I am right in this case and you are wrong

Hint: If you want to use math to prove ANYTHING, try learning it first. Just because you type out lots of numbers before saying something stupid doesn't mean you used math to prove it wasn't stupid.

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[hegemonkhan]

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[BCalchet]

;_; that's completely wrong, as well... I give up.

 

[katika]

Even if sacrifice the weak civic gives -50% great person penalty it's still a good civic for Alexis. But Alexis might wanna stay Overlords longer and milk out GPP from the city with Tower of Complacency.

I havn't gotten so far yet to see the full effect of a city with the Governor's Manor. But it should work best with sacrifice the weak.

And to put an end to the Farms vs Cottages under financial discussion: If you are Calabim, you ARE gonna run Heavily on farms. And my point is, Flauros will get +1 commerce on every farm you run, EVERY FARM.

Actually, I like to stay OO as the Calabim for the slaves. Vamps can eat slaves to gain health and another attack. Over the course of a game, staying OO (with slavery) should let you have ~25% more attacks (if you can use them).

 

[hegemonkhan]

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[katika]

7 cota + (7 x 0.25)=8.75
8 cota + (8 x 0.25)=10

10/8=1.25 cota* .....weird..... very weird.....

It should be 10/8.75, which does indeed come out to 1.142857... No matter what multiplier you use, the ratio will always be the same as long as the multiplier is the same.

The Calabim will always want farms to feed their vampires. Alexis will want more farms and specialists to maximize her traits. Flauros will want more cottages because he won't be relying as much on GP for research. Flauros will keep farms around to quickly grow after rushing and feasting, but cottages, not specialists, will drive his research.

 

[hegemonkhan]

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[hegemonkhan]

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[BCalchet]

...and now you're reduced to putting words in my mouth, eh? I guess it's always easier to argue against someone if you don't actually read what they're saying.

Not all farms produce three commerce. Not all cottages produce seven commerce. Farms are not always boosted by 33&#37;. Cottages are not always boosted by ~14%. The example farm and the example cottage, sure, but you clearly said it was *always* so for farms and cottages. (And there really is no need to add the library bonus over and over again, it'll be 25% no matter how often you do it.)

 

[hegemonkhan]

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[BCalchet]

It was completely wrong, but only when applied to all farms and cottages all the time, as you did.

 

[katika]

I'm not sure we entirely agree:

if your doing farms I dont see the point in using flauros over alexis

Even Flauros will need plenty of farms, more than most other leaders need. It's not a simple question of farms or cottages, it's how many.

That said, which leader does everyone here prefer? Right now I prefer Flaruos because I don't find Agg that useful once I get Vamps. It's great until then, but once you get all the XP you need, who cares about one promotion? Fin and Org also boost some of my favorite buildings.

 

[eerr]

look at the dissonance a library has caused...-clearly such things should be left out of the calculation.
why do people get irrational over (seemingly) irreconcilable things?


(the multiplyer will be applied to both ,the 1 commerce gained/lost due to rounding alone is 99&#37; of the time never going to make a diffrence, except for the occ, and the early game without such boni)

2 farms under aristocracy/agriculture get the financial bonus twice

1 farm and 1 cottage otherwise gets the financial bonus once

while assuming a level 4 cottage with no improvement, on grassland.
is equal without the financial bonus, meaning the 2 farm combo is better after mass dejunglization

also, whats with this double mod standard being applied to forums vs subforums or is it just philosophy that is exempt from anti flame moderation?

 

[hegemonkhan]

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[hegemonkhan]

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[xAlephx]

I'll agree on Aggression being garbage - look at Raider. Now there's a combat trait with an edge. Faster experience, first strike, using enemy roads, superior pillaging, more unit types benefit... there's no comparison.

But then, I prefer Flauros.

Does anyone not use Agriculture, besides elves and possibly Lanun?

 

[Grey Fox]

I dont agree. I think that no matter what leader you choose, you will need farms with Calabim. The difference is, the leaders get benefits from the farms in different ways. Flauros gets +1 coin to every farm (in aristocracy), and Alexis gets +100&#37; GPP, and you can have more specialists with farms.

It's as simple as that.

Flauros might benefit a bit more by running a mixed farms/cottages strategy, especially in the early game. (I tend to replace some towns with farms in the mid game) but he is still gonna use a lot of farms. I tend to put my towns on grassland hills and plains.

 

[hegemonkhan]

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