National parks on mountains

[Makavcio]

Hey,

I wanted to give national parks a chance. I have a naturalist ready, I have 4 mountains withing reach of 1 city, all of these tiles have "4" appeal, and I'm still unable to create the park.

What am I missing?


Btw, since I'm already at it, are there any special conditions for planting forests? I had several plots of tundra I wanted to reforest but one of them refused my planting attempt. It was no different that 2 other tiles that are now covered with forest, i.e. it was a flat tile without access to water and surrounded with other tundra tiles.

 

[Onii-chan]

You need to bring the Naturalist within the borders of the park-to-be. So you can't have 4 mountains only as a park since the Naturalist can't move onto any of the tiles within the park. 3 mountains + 1 other tile that fits the conditions will work though

Not sure about the forest planting part

 

[Makavcio]

Oh, pity. Would be a great way of utilizing a somewhat wasted terrain. Thanks for clarifying this issue.

 

[callan]

You also need at least one of the tiles to be a Natural Wonder.

 

[KrikkitTwo]

You also need at least one of the tiles to be a Natural Wonder.

No you don't, a Natural wonder is nice to have, but not mandatory for a National Park

 

[Makavcio]

You also need at least one of the tiles to be a Natural Wonder.

No, I don't. I've just built a national park comprising of 3 dull hills tiles and one equally dull forest tile. No natural wonders anywhere near the park.
Afaik, all you need is 4 diamond-shaped tiles without improvement that are either mountains or natural wonders, or have appeal rating of at least 3.

 

[callan]

Man, I've been doing that wrong. Rarely, but still. Thanks guys.

 

[TomBeard]

It's tricky to figure out since the civilopedia entry is vague at best. The naturalist has to be able to stand on at least one of the tiles so that fourth tile in the diamond formation can't be a mountain or an impassable natural wonder. Also there can be no improvement on that tile (farm etc) and you need the proper appeal as others mentioned. Lastly all 4 tiles need to be owned by the same city which can be modified in the city menu by swapping tiles with other cities you own.

 

[Onii-chan]

It's tricky to figure out since the civilopedia entry is vague at best. The naturalist has to be able to stand on at least one of the tiles so that fourth tile in the diamond formation can't be a mountain or an impassable natural wonder. Also there can be no improvement on that tile (farm etc) and you need the proper appeal as others mentioned. Lastly all 4 tiles need to be owned by the same city which can be modified in the city menu by swapping tiles with other cities you own.

And for some reason it only works with vertically aligned diamond shapes. Ones leaning to the side do not work (which makes no sense at all if you ask me)

 

[steveg700]

And for some reason it only works with vertically aligned diamond shapes. Ones leaning to the side do not work (which makes no sense at all if you ask me)

LOL, I thought this my own thread on the topic I posted a week or so ago.

Glad I'm not the only one to feel the sting of spending eras waiting to set up the perfect park only to find it does work. Makes feel like I shouldn't blame myself.

Btw, since I'm already at it, are there any special conditions for planting forests? I had several plots of tundra I wanted to reforest but one of them refused my planting attempt. It was no different that 2 other tiles that are now covered with forest, i.e. it was a flat tile without access to water and surrounded with other tundra tiles.

I've found that after researching National Parks I have to build new workers in order to plant forests. Hope that helps.

 

[Kougar7]

Not all hexes allow you to plant a forest, I don't really know why as it happens regardless of terrain type.

Wonders make it easier to build parks because they give such high appeal to surrounding tiles, but they are not required. Open desert can even be a park but that usually requires the Eiffel Tower to get high enough appeal.

 

[unpossible251]

for some reason it only works with vertically aligned diamond shapes. Ones leaning to the side do not work (which makes no sense at all if you ask me)

Yes. Yes. So much yes. I hope they patch this next time.

 

[Victoria]

One feels using religion to purchase ones tree hugging naturalist is a bit off.

 

[qadams]

One feels using religion to purchase ones tree hugging naturalist is a bit off.

Yes, it definitely is.

I complained a lot about this in various threads before the game was released, but no one else seemed to care. My suggestion was that 'Faith' should be renamed 'Wisdom' — it would still be used to purchase a prophet and found a religion in the early to mid-game, but then later those points could go toward a naturalist.

 

[NukeAJS]

Worth noting here that you can always remove a tile improvement with a worker later in the game to make the natural park. Meaning you can safely build lumber mills when they are available and then remove them when you want to make a park.

That being said, I'm pretty sure that old growth forests have more appeal then new growth forests. So, chopping old-growth forests, putting down a farm, removing the farm, and then replanting a forest causes a permanent decrease in appeal (I'm just 70% sure of this).

 

[CaiusDrewart]

One feels using religion to purchase ones tree hugging naturalist is a bit off.

I'm not sure why you can't just produce a naturalist or purchase one with gold. This unit has nothing to do with religion thematically. I guess maybe they just wanted faith to be important.

That being said, I'm pretty sure that old growth forests have more appeal then new growth forests. So, chopping old-growth forests, putting down a farm, removing the farm, and then replanting a forest causes a permanent decrease in appeal (I'm just 70% sure of this).

My understanding is that all forests, old and new, give +1 appeal to adjacent tiles, but only old-growth forests get +1 appeal on their own tile.

 

[KrikkitTwo]

I'm not sure why you can't just produce a naturalist or purchase one with gold. This unit has nothing to do with religion thematically. I guess maybe they just wanted faith to be important.

It thematically works fine with religion, at least as well as getting any other great people. (after all tree hugging is definitely a form of religion)
[I'm hoping when they expand religion, faith can be used to purchase "Ideology" units for the three end tier governments]

 

[teakbois]

It would be cool if they added some special national parks

2 mountains 2 old growth tiles? Great Smokies
Coast? Acadia
2 Marsh tiles? Everglades
2 mountains 1 lake? Banff

Obviously there are many, many non American options as well