Need a Super Carrier

[von Brumi]

I think that Civ3 really needs a new unit, a 2nd generation Carrier. The one we have is OK, but it's both too cheap and weak to represent something as mighty as the Enterprise or the Roosevelt. We need a Supercarrier capable of transporting at least 8 units, with a bit more movement and the ability to carry helicopters. It would definitely need Uranium. I don't mind if it's like undefended - CV's always have their proper escort -, but it is needed to represent the main purpose of these vessels: strategic power projection. 4 planes can help a lot in skirmishes, but they're too weak to be a decisive factor.

 

[depresion]

Bigger but slower is probably the way to go. I'm not sure about the helicopters, if it would be posible to add them to just that and not the standard aircraft carrier.

 

[von Brumi]

i think they could take them too. what's more: an AEGIS cruiser should also be able to carry 1 'copter. not sure about de AEGIS, but most modern cruisers and even destroyers have helicopters. it might be a recon unit only or anything (these are rarely attack helicopters).

 

[benjdm]

Slower ? Them nuke-powered carriers can FLY. With modern warships, smaller is usually not faster.

 

[Zippo]

Originally posted by depresion
Bigger but slower is probably the way to go. I'm not sure about the helicopters, if it would be posible to add them to just that and not the standard aircraft carrier.

I'm pretty sure you CAN'T add them ONLY to the advanced carrier. I haven't tried this but I believe you just have to check the Load box to make choppers able to load on ships. The problem is that you could load up your choppers with guys, load up your carrier with choppers, and wreak havoc on other continents! My solution would be to create a new chopper that is can't carry any units and allow that one to load.

Sure, realistically, you could load an army on an aircraft carrier, but then what would be the use of the transport ships?? The transports should be faster anyway.

Originally posted by von Brumi
an AEGIS cruiser should also be able to carry 1 'copter.

Sorry, I don't think it's possible to restrict the AEGIS to only carrying a chopper. You could make it carry 1 unit, but you could load a plane on if you wanted to... maybe in the future if Firaxis gives us a better editor.

Originally posted by benjdm
Slower ? Them nuke-powered carriers can FLY. With modern warships, smaller is usually not faster.

Yeah you can actually waterski behind a nuke carrier... it takes awhile to get up to speed though. They also carry a crew of about 6000.

Anyway, that could be the name of the new carrier.. Nuclear Carrier.

I'm not sure about bigger ships being faster though... MAYBE nukes are faster but I'd say ONLY if they are close to the same size as a regular carrier. It really depends on how many propellant mechanisms they have...

They're DEFINATELY not as manuverable though. For this reason I'd say the Nuclear Carrier shouldn't be as fast... it's the only real drawback you can give it to make up for the increased carrying capacity.

 

[depresion]

As Zippo says the speed penalty wold be to compansate for the extra capacity, as the helecopter can only take 1 unit the it's not too much of a risk. It wolud have been nice to be able to seperate VTOL and fixed wing aircraft to alow a small caria like the ones used by the british navy with harriers(sp?).

 

[Zippo]

Hehe, I was thinking of my upgraded chopper than can carry 4 units.

 

[depresion]

If my binary multiplication tabels dont fail me thats 32 ground units + the 8 choppers. Better make it a very slow Carrier so the other side can prepare.

 

[akinkhoo]

The agree with the orginal post on the name.....
The military always refer to this class of 90megaton carrier as "Supercarriers" ....

My suggestions....

The supercarrier should use the current carrier icon....
the "old" carrier should be given the WW2 carrier (the single direct runway type, the japanese shinato carrier makes a good representation)

3 planes for the old and 6 planes for the new....
you can still build the old ones after you get the new ones as the supercarriers take too much time to build in middle of war....

the old carrier should move slower as those old carriers are know to have too much load to little power

the old carrier should see only 1 square.... in WW2, carriers use their airplane to SEE so i think it reflects the early times better....

 

[Noname]

1) New Carrier is called Nuclear Carrier, Old Carrier is still plain old Carrier

2) Aegis Crusiers and normal Crusiers, like in Civ 2.

3) N. Carrier can carry six aircraft, old Carrier three.

4) N. Carrier has longer range.

5) N. Carrier requires Uranium, old Carrier Oil.

 

[depresion]

How about having 2 new carriers? Nucular and Super

Carriers take 3 aircraft.

Supercarriers are 6 and keep the same speed as the standard Carrier, require uranium. (Like the USS Enterprise)

Nuclular Carriers replace standard Carriers and take 3 but are faster and also require uranium. (Like HMS Invincible)

 

[von Brumi]

don't think we need so many different carriers. 2 would be enough: the cheaper tactical "stopgap" carrier that's mainly for anval battle support, and the super for strategic power projection, ie. land op. support, leveling cities, etc. CVN (carrier vessel - nuclear) should not be slower but more expensive and requiring uranium. Tech req. could be Nuclear power.

 

[SkidiWili]

Originally posted by von Brumi
i think they could take them too. what's more: an AEGIS cruiser should also be able to carry 1 'copter. not sure about de AEGIS, but most modern cruisers and even destroyers have helicopters. it might be a recon unit only or anything (these are rarely attack helicopters).

Maybe they carry a normal chopper, but I really doubt that they should carry a Civ3 chopper. The Civ3 chopper is able to carry one(or was it two, either way) infantry unit, which is a lot of troops, so the chopper is really a lot of transport choppers. AEGIS cruiser might carry a recon chopper, but not a big pile of transport choppers.

 

[ArikMelekIsrael]

The big carrier could additionally cost one population point of its home city, like the worker. A crew of 6000 people is a lot .