Need Rules of HOF

[superslug]

Originally posted by Takeo
all map sizes are allowed now. you just have to bring up that category on the hof page.

Indeed. While that won't change that huge maps get the most score, there are plenty of slots to go around, including tiny maps which get their points off of fastest finish.

In regards to who decides the rules, that would be our moderator Aeson. He has personal experience as a former HOF participant and also as a GOTM moderator. We're in good, fair hands.

 

[Darkness]

Originally posted by Wizard55
To superslug;

Let me say this, I don't have a probelm with the rules set down for this HOF. I can live with it.

I was just wanting to know what the rules where.
Who made the rules? one person? a majority vote?

Since I like playing the devil's advocate

Yes, one person! Aeson has the final say on all issues affecting the HoF rules...

 

[Aeson]

I'll work on getting a more comprehensive listing of rules together for the HOF pages. I know there are some rules now which aren't clearly specified.

While I do have final say on the rules, input and suggestions are always welcome.

 

[DaveMcW]

Do you think C3C games with patch 1.12 will be allowed?

I'd like to start a C3C HOF game, but I want to be sure it will be accepted.

 

[superslug]

Yes Dave!

The reason I say this is because Aeson posted the following on page three of the C3C HOF thread:

So you may start playing (or saving) C3C games for submission to the HOF. C3C 1.00, C3C 1.02 (is basically the same), C3C Beta (has been announced), and the future C3C patches will all be allowable for submission. Please play your game entirely in one patch though!

 

[boogaboo]

How (the hell) can anyone know if games were not done by saving and exploiting "premature" knowledge of the "random" seed???

Can one look into the *.sav files and find that out?
Or are you expecting people to show honor (like we expect politicians, but they always fail)?
This is especially true in HoF games for conquest on small world types.

Please respond on this, Mr, manager.
Mr babaluba mr bababaluba.

 

[fret]

Originally posted by Moonsinger
The problem with Acc.Production [.......] people without PTW or Conquests do not have this option.

I'm confused. I dont have PTW or Conquests but I have the option of Acc. Prod.

Was it added in one of the patches to vanilla civ3?

 

[Aeson]

Can one look into the *.sav files and find that out?
Or are you expecting people to show honor (like we expect politicians, but they always fail)?

Yes, and yes.

 

[boogaboo]

U c, the problem is that if u can see some characters in the *.sav file that indicates that the user has saved and loaded, then he can edit the file so u think it was done without savings..

And what about sleeptime savings??
Something is wrong..
Please be specific.

 

[Aeson]

Yes, there are ways to see if a game has been reloaded.

Yes, there are ways to get around this, and we rely on the honor system to some extent.

 

[boogaboo]

I think rules that cannot be held should be removed.
This also includes marijuana, drugs tests for athlets and not using saves.

Yes, I don't believe that people did all these high scores without "malicious" saves.. some perhaps.

This is why there is a need for a consistent set of rules that can be held, not just declared.

M I right or m i right?
so please remove this limitation, on which there is no real way to control.

 

[Aeson]

People get away with murder too, perhaps it should be legalized?

Point is, any rule can be broken, and enforcement of any rule can never be perfect. The rules are there to give people a default setting to be able to compare and compete with. Without the rules there is no basis for comparison, and the HOF may as well not exist at all.

 

[boogaboo]

Originally posted by Aeson

any rule can be broken, and enforcement of any rule can never be perfect. The rules are there to give people a default setting to be able to compare and compete with. Without the rules there is no basis for comparison, and the HOF may as well not exist at all.

True. But this is exacly why saves should be allowed - most people trying to enter the HoF will try saving and see that it helps.
People that try doing games without it will have lower scores, so the "good guys" are in a disadvantage

Therefor, for all people to be equal, and for the HoF to be worth it's goal, all should be equal - saving should be allowed as a rule.
It would save us all the trouble of guessing if some guy really made his high score or is "faking".

 

[Aeson]

It would save us all the trouble of guessing if some guy really made his high score or is "faking".

There is a fundamental flaw with your argument. First you say that reloads can be edited. Allowing reloads will not do anything to stop people from file editing (which can seriously alter the games in ways a reloader could never dream of). The problem would still remain. Specifically that the 'bad guys' could get away with something the 'good guys' couldn't.

You could say that we allow file editing, but then the games become absolutely worthless.

So we are left with two options. Make rules and hope we can enforce them, and that people will play by them. Or, give up any chance of having a competitive and comparative environment.

If you can get past the need to know whether or not other people are cheating, and just accept that you are ultimately competing against yourself, the game will become more enjoyable. If you insist on the mind-set that unknown cheaters are out there, you will never enjoy the game fully because of your paranoia. Regardless of whether people are cheating or not, or what the rules are.

 

[boogaboo]

Right, the editing problem remains even if the rules change..
Why o y don't we live in a perfect world??

I am sooo sad I can't continue reloading vs. an AI.
And I'm sooo sure that any guy who did conquest in 3600BC must be entirely luck or entirely editing...

 

[EMan]

.........unless you're gonna take up chess (THE Perfect Game), tune your brain to either thinking about the Joy of Life (viz. Having Fun) OR how to top the HOF..............you obviously have a Great Brain!

If you study this site, you WILL find the answer on how to win by Conquest in 3600BC, for example, without cheating. Yes, there is a LOT of luck involved in the Map generated AND the starting position...........AND with the new Map Generator program (See my Signature) from Moonsinger & Dianthus.......I think the HOF Highest scores will only get Higher!

EMan
P.s. I have no idea how to edit a file!........heck, I haven't even had time to play with the Civ Editor!....too busy Playing!

 

[boogaboo]

u're right, the hacking (editing sav files in this case) is a non-solved phenomena in computers, and we should try to enjoy the HoF and the game as it is.

I'm trying to read all the important articles in this site, and come back to civ3, since Warcraft3 causes me too much anxiety..
I have an anxiety disorder, and have 2 cool a little and I enjoy civ very much... all 3 of them... for years now.

I will do many independent games to try to break the HoF after I read the articles and install the utilities (I saw many..).

B well from Israel,
Chaim.