New Civilizations

[Smidgey]

I know its probably not going to happen, but I think Scotland should be in, or at least England becomes Britain.

In Civ 3 EVERY single wonder (with the exceptions of Cure for Cancer and Longivity for obvious reasons) has a country within the game that it was built by in real life. The only wonder which does not conform to this rule, is Smiths Trading Company, a wonder which should exist in Scotland. Adam Smith, the writer of "The Wealth of Nations" was the first to describe a truly capitalist society, yet his is the only wonder, for which there is no appropriate civ.

Other reasons as to why Scotland should be in:

For a small country of only 5 million people, it has produced a HUGE number of advancements, in major sciences, philosophy, mathematics and literature. For a population which is only 0.083% of the worlds population, its thinkers and literacists have earned it 11% of all Nobel Prizes. Why should a country not be allowed into civ because of its scientific acheivements? The discovery of penicillin, The first ever clone, The invention of the telephone, The invention of the Television, the father of modern empiricist philosophy, the invention of the steam engine, the invention of anasthetic for medical operations, the first ever description of a capitalist society, the first ever declaration of independance, the worlds oldest national flag and since its founding it has never been conquered indefinetely by an opposing nation. All these things are Scottish, and have aided the world greatly, I suggest either making Britian, or having a Scoland in civ.

I guess Adam Smith wants a proper home

 

[Latvian "Hound"]

Smidgey good speach all respect. But I don't know about this flag. How old is it?

 

[Smidgey]

The Saltire (The proper name for Scotland national flag) was first used as a national emblim in 1180 AD, making it the oldest NATIONAL flag in the world. it is not the oldest flag, but the oldest national flag.

 

[mortalmadman]

The golgeions

If they can have a civ that didn't appear untill the 1700's, then they could have the race that will in the future fly to earth and enslave the planet.

The golgeions will win civilization, in real life.

 

[Latvian "Hound"]

The Saltire (The proper name for Scotland national flag) was first used as a national emblim in 1180 AD, making it the oldest NATIONAL flag in the world. it is not the oldest flag, but the oldest national flag.

Ok now I understand. Befour you wrote I was a little bit confused there were flags in BC and even Balts had flag (just white later it changed a bit).

 

[Mei]

Isreal/ Judea- Because they gave the world two major religions and have been pretty important in the world since.
Ethiopia/ Assyria- Because the Zulus are the only African civ.
Indonesia- Pretty important in Asia in the middle ages.

 

[rhialto]

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Ethiopia/ Assyria- Because the Zulus are the only African civ.
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Umm, do you know where Assyria was?

 

[Kodi]

Assyria was Middle East, along the Tigris and Euphrates.... like Babylonia and Sumeria. For Africa, Songhai/Mali would be nice... why? Cuz we actually had to study them

 

[Furius]

I always thought Mali sounded better than Songhai and according to my 'Historical Atlas' it was bigger.
I think Mei meant "Ethiopia/Abbyssinia" which would be good as well.
I think Thailand or Khmer should come before Indonesia, though.

 

[rhialto]

ok, guys. It is very easy to throw out a nme and say "I want the Serbo-Melanesian civ in the game!" How many of you can develop these into something useful? A civ gets included because it has a lot of background information. Make this thread into something the developers can use, and either write or link to that background information.

 

[Mongoloid Cow]

Most civs like Mali, Assyria and Poland are very well known; no links or information would be needed on any of them. Those not well known are often so ridiculous or obscure that no link would need to be supplied as there's Buckley's chance of them being included (the same could be said about Mali, Assyria and Poland though)

 

[rhialto]

If they are so well-known, how come I haven't seen anyone show where this information is? The developers are human too, and presenting them with a developed civ is far more likely to sway them than presenting them with a single word.

Thats assuming all you who are advocating a particular civ be in the game are actually serious of course.

 

[Sims2789]

I've never heard of Serbia, but i heard about a country named Slovenia or something like that and that's it. But then again I'm only a 9th grade student.

Uh... have you not heard of World War 1? World War 1 happened because someone backed by the Serbian government killed the heir to the Austro-Hungarian throne and Austria-Hungary declared war on Serbia. Serbia was also the nucleus of Yugoslavia and was involved in mass genocide of the 1990's.

 

[Mongoloid Cow]

Rhialto, you couldn't know about Babylon without knowing about Assyria. It is simply impossible. The same works in reverse.

Poland is such a well known country that links and references would be in a huge abundance. If a developer couldn't open an encyclopedia and find references about Polish history, they shouldn't have a job simply put.

Mali is more obscure, but still well known. Most people know about Timbuktu whether they know where it is or not. Wikipedia would be the best place to start for Malian history if they weere interested.

Providing actual links is IMO pointless.

 

[rhialto]

Rhialto, you couldn't know about Babylon without knowing about Assyria. It is simply impossible. The same works in reverse.

Why not? many people have managed it. Stating your opinion as fact doesn't make it true.

Poland is such a well known country that links and references would be in a huge abundance. If a developer couldn't open an encyclopedia and find references about Polish history, they shouldn't have a job simply put.

Mali is more obscure, but still well known. Most people know about Timbuktu whether they know where it is or not. Wikipedia would be the best place to start for Malian history if they weere (sic) interested.

Providing actual links is IMO pointless.

My point is that if I were a developer browsing this forum for ideas (which is, I believe, the point of this sub-forum), and I had a choice between developing two equally obscure civs, one of which was mentioned by name and nothing more, the other of which had lots of detailed write-up, and I had limited time, it would be an easy decision which one to develop.

 

[Mongoloid Cow]

I mean about Assyrian and Babylonian history. They intermingled so much they could not have included Babylon without finding out an enormous lot about Assyria. Heck, half the Babylonian city names are actually Assyrian (and Sumerian).

Yeah, I get your point but I won't continue arguing my point since it keeps getting lost in prose.

 

[rhialto]

Regarding Assyria and Babylon, I am fairly certain that the developers have reached version 3 of civ now without demonstrating more than a trivial awareness of Assyria as a civ.

 

[Mongoloid Cow]

Yes, but they needed to know about it to write the Civilopedia article, make the UU, dress Hammurabi, get the city list, the great leader lists, etc.

 

[Latvian "Hound"]

My Preposition
Latvia
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Gender: Male
Title: President
Leader: Karlis Ulmanis
Bonuses: Scientific
Culture group: european
Fav gov: Republic
Shunned: Communism
Agreesion lv: None
Citys: Riga (capitol, but it was built in 1202 AD)
Liepaja
Ventspils
Aizpute
Grobina (This city is in Civ III but as Scandinavian city. Actually I don't know why Scandinavs conqered it in about 850 AD and just for few years)
Priekule
Skrunda
Saldus
Broceni
Kuldiga
Piltene
Ventspils
Valdemarpils
ZTalsi
Stende
Sabile
Kandava
Tukums
Auce
Dobele
Jelgava
Kalnciems
Bauska
Olaine
Balgone
Balzhi
Jurmala
Salaspils
Vangazi
Sigulda
Ikskile
Ogre
Kegums
Lielvarde
Jaunjelgava
Aizkraukle
Plavinas
Ainazhi
Salacgriva
Staicele
Aloja
Limbazhi
Ligatne
Cesis
Valmiera
Mazsalaca
Rujiena
Valka (This city is in one side in Latvia (Valka) and other side is in Estonia (Valga)
Seda
Strenchi
Smiltene
Ape
Aluksne
Gulbene
Cesvaine
Madone
Lubana
Varaklani
Jekabpils
Viesite
Aknikste
Balvi
Vilaka
Karsava
Ludza
Zilupe
Rezekne
Vilani
Livani
Preili
Subate
Ilukste
Daugavpils
Kraslava
Dagda
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These all are official citys of Latvia. They aren't compered by no system
Military Leaders: Visvaldis
Oskars Kaupaks
Janis Balodis

I guess thats about it did I forget something?

 

[cidknee]

Poland is a fairly large player as far as history goes. But then again if you want to compare civilizations by how long they've been around, goobye america, canada. I personally think the game should have an option if you want ancient tribes ( babylon etc) or modern civs ( america canada) but then it would take away from game play. I never liked having the civs that arent aroiund anymore in the game and i never pick them , well when im bored I do. But I would love to see a Canadian civ. With different leaders to choose from.