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Furius
Prince
Alright then, let us try out the Rhialto approach to this thread.
New Zealand
Leader: Potatau Te Wherowhero (Potatau is title, alternativly could be 'kingi') First and most powerful Maori king.
Or: Prime Minister David Lange, instituted the nuclear free policy and told the american nuke ships to leave (Still alive though so probably can't appear in civ)
Traits: Militaristic (The Maori traditionally did little but fight) & Agricultural (New Zealand has the most sheep of any nation on Earth). But I doubt the current trait system will continue into Civ IV
Culture Group: Polynesian! or more appropriatly European I suppose (America really ought to be European too).
Fav Government: Somesort of Tribal gov if one is going from a Maori angle, Democracy or Republic (What is the difference between these in reality?) if one is going from the present day.
Shunned Government: Perhaps despotism or communism? (This one is actually nvery hard)
Aggression Level: Medium perhaps? In New Zealand history there has been quite a bit of fighting but usually not off the home islands.
Cities: Auckland (Once capital, biggest city now)
Wellington (Present capital)
Christchurch
Dunedin
Hamilton
Tauranga
Palmerston North
Nelson
Napier
Rotorua
New Plymouth
Invercargill
Whangarei
Wanganui
Gisborne
Kapiti
Blenheim
Timaru
Waitangi
Military Leaders: Te Kooti, Hone Heke
Scientific Peoples: Ernest Rutherford, Maurice Wilkins
History
Polynesian people, known as the Maori arrived in New Zealand around 800-1000 AD. Abel Tasman of the Netherlands discovered New Zealand in 1642 but the Netherlands did not attempt colonization. James Cook rediscovered New Zealand in 1769 and in 1840 in the Treaty of Waitangi the Maori chiefs signed the country over to the British crown.Significant differences between the Maori and English versions of the treaty and the general underhandedness of the British administration provoked the Land Wars in which the Maori attempted to reclaim their land. Eventually the Maori were defeated and attempts were made at their intergration into the colony. By WWI New Zealand refered to itself as a 'Better Britain' and was eager to aid its motherland. At the Battle of Gallipoli thousands of NZ and Australian troops refered to as the ANZACs were killed in an utterly unneccessary battle caused by the indifference of New Zealands colonial master. In world war II as the Japanese threatened New Zealand, New Zealand soldiers were not diverted from the war in Europe and after the war New Zealand took up its own foreign policy under the Treaty of Canberra.
After this point America began to take on a position as master of New Zealand negotiating the ANZUS treaty, a South Pacific equivalent of NATO (But less powerful). American nuclear ships frequently stopped in NZ harbours and nuclear bombs were tested not far from New Zealand. The New Zealand public became concerned and in 1986 under David Lange the country became nuclear-free. This included American nuclear ships and America was quite offended, going so far as to throw NZ out of ANZUS. Since then NZ has persued closer relations with Asia.
Is that the sort of thing you had in mind, Rhialto? Of course the idea of New Zealand as a civ remains rediculous. But still, I wouldn't mind it.
New Zealand
Leader: Potatau Te Wherowhero (Potatau is title, alternativly could be 'kingi') First and most powerful Maori king.
Or: Prime Minister David Lange, instituted the nuclear free policy and told the american nuke ships to leave (Still alive though so probably can't appear in civ)
Traits: Militaristic (The Maori traditionally did little but fight) & Agricultural (New Zealand has the most sheep of any nation on Earth). But I doubt the current trait system will continue into Civ IV
Culture Group: Polynesian! or more appropriatly European I suppose (America really ought to be European too).
Fav Government: Somesort of Tribal gov if one is going from a Maori angle, Democracy or Republic (What is the difference between these in reality?) if one is going from the present day.
Shunned Government: Perhaps despotism or communism? (This one is actually nvery hard)
Aggression Level: Medium perhaps? In New Zealand history there has been quite a bit of fighting but usually not off the home islands.
Cities: Auckland (Once capital, biggest city now)
Wellington (Present capital)
Christchurch
Dunedin
Hamilton
Tauranga
Palmerston North
Nelson
Napier
Rotorua
New Plymouth
Invercargill
Whangarei
Wanganui
Gisborne
Kapiti
Blenheim
Timaru
Waitangi
Military Leaders: Te Kooti, Hone Heke
Scientific Peoples: Ernest Rutherford, Maurice Wilkins
History
Polynesian people, known as the Maori arrived in New Zealand around 800-1000 AD. Abel Tasman of the Netherlands discovered New Zealand in 1642 but the Netherlands did not attempt colonization. James Cook rediscovered New Zealand in 1769 and in 1840 in the Treaty of Waitangi the Maori chiefs signed the country over to the British crown.Significant differences between the Maori and English versions of the treaty and the general underhandedness of the British administration provoked the Land Wars in which the Maori attempted to reclaim their land. Eventually the Maori were defeated and attempts were made at their intergration into the colony. By WWI New Zealand refered to itself as a 'Better Britain' and was eager to aid its motherland. At the Battle of Gallipoli thousands of NZ and Australian troops refered to as the ANZACs were killed in an utterly unneccessary battle caused by the indifference of New Zealands colonial master. In world war II as the Japanese threatened New Zealand, New Zealand soldiers were not diverted from the war in Europe and after the war New Zealand took up its own foreign policy under the Treaty of Canberra.
After this point America began to take on a position as master of New Zealand negotiating the ANZUS treaty, a South Pacific equivalent of NATO (But less powerful). American nuclear ships frequently stopped in NZ harbours and nuclear bombs were tested not far from New Zealand. The New Zealand public became concerned and in 1986 under David Lange the country became nuclear-free. This included American nuclear ships and America was quite offended, going so far as to throw NZ out of ANZUS. Since then NZ has persued closer relations with Asia.
Is that the sort of thing you had in mind, Rhialto? Of course the idea of New Zealand as a civ remains rediculous. But still, I wouldn't mind it.
Fox Mccloud
Deity
Poland should be a Civ.
vikingsjoe
Chieftain
More ancient civs-Assyria,Elam,Ertau,Dorians,Etruscans,Scythians for starters. I would also like a earth world map that would be bigger and you could view by moving a cursor from amain map and also by going up down left right excetra.Latvian "Hound"
Chieftain
I'll try to answer all and ad missing things about Latvia.
1. Karlis Ulmanis helped to form first independant Latvia state. Aswell he was primeminister of Latvia and later Latvia's president from 1934-1940. In his time Latvia went economaly upwards and was one of the best countrys in europe in science & education.
Alternative Hercoge Jekab he wasn't Latvian but in his time 17 cenury Latvia was 3 best in export in Europe. It produced ships, canons, and all other things. It even had 2 colonys: Tobago & Gambija
2. Didn't get the question.
3. History: In about 10'000 year BC in Latvia camed first people. Latvians (Balts) had they're own unique ceramick culture, they were food gatherers and farmers. Balts had they're own religy which was based that god isn't materialistick and that devil is easily fooled, and devil isn't such horrible than in other religys. Balts got energy from nature - from trees, rivers and land. They lived very peacfull till 7 century AD when first conquarers comes to Latvia shores. Till then Greek and Roman scientists (Herodot & Ptolemai) and explorers described Balts as very peacfull, smart and religious tribe. From all europe people camed to Latvia because here lived many sages, future predictors and healers. In one chronicle decribed one moment when to Latvia camed people from Germany with carts locked with locks. Latvians didn't understand why is it needed because Latvians didn't close the doors, didn't lock chests with they're savings because they didn't steal from each other.
When in 7century camed Scandinavs they started to conquare Balt religy and ocupie they're land. Later in 11 century and Russians, Poles and Germans started to conquare Balts in so called holy wars. Germans to get new crusaders armys started to write bad things about Balts that they all are beasts and they have some kind of uncristian religy. Balts fought against oppresors with a lot fewer army f.e. against 10'000 conquarers they could get about 5'000 men. But Balts woned a lot of fights. But unfortunatly with years population was drown down and 13 century Latvians was ocupied.
The first ocuppers were Germans. They lasted in Latvia till 1561 when in Latvia started Livonian war. Latvia was attacked by russians but was conquared by Sweden and Liethuania-Poland. But in this time latvians made lots of uprises to get themselves free.
In 18 century started North War when Latvia was conquared by caristick Russia.
Few years later in 1812 Napolion conquared Latvia for a while till they're army was destroyed near Moscow.
In 19 century in Latvia started NewLatvian movment. They started to renew ideas that there is Latvians and that they need to be united. In this time lived one of greatest Latvian man Krisjanis Barons he drived through all Latvia and gathered national songs (dainas) at the end of his life he had gathered more than 240'000 dainas. Also in this time was first Singing festival which took place in 1864. The singing festival now is included in UNESCO fund.
In 1905 in all Russia and aswell in Latvia started revolution which was later rebuffed but it gaved Latvians togethernes feeling.
1WW played impiortant role in Latvia history aswell in worlds. Because through Latvia went front line which seperated Russians from Germans. Latvia was devided into 2 sides: Germans controled West Latvia, Russians East. In 1915 was made first Latvian rifleman battalion. It braked front line but Russia didn't gave bacup soldiers to continue the attack they thought that the Latvian rifleman battalion will be destroyed. After these events russia made 3 more latvian battalions. Many important fights Latvia fought. In the end of WW1 In russia was revolution and Germany had lost the war. So in 1918 years 18 november in National theater was formed independant Latvia. With this event started the Freedom fights against Russia and Germany. The Red Army (Russian) drove Latvian goverment to Liepajas harbour where the goverment sated on the English ship so that they couldnt be harmed at this time Latvia buyed about 5000 rifles from England and formed thayre own army. Latvians with sneaky help of Russians regained Latvia. And near Cesis Estonian and North Latvian army destroyed Germans. At this time in Riga 10'000 students went to fight for freedom against 50'000 proffesional Bermouth army with artilery and armour. When in this fight the students amunition ended thay putted on the pikes and charged against 5X bigger Bermouth army and woned. Next day in English press on title page was just one word written "MIRACLE".
In 1920 Latvia had fought to get they're independance and had free country. They were fast growing in evrey sphere.
In 1940 year USSR ocupies Latvia and deportates more than 10'000 people. Later that year Germany ocuppies Latvia for one year till again USSR ocupies Latvia. In this Ocupation time USSR deportates 70'000 ppl kills about 100'000 ppl. Totaly: Befour WW2 Latvian population 2'000'000+
After WW2 Latvian population 1'000'000+
In this time Latvians are sent out of they're homes, churches has been vandalized. USSR proclaimes that russians should come to Latvia because here is paradize. So to Latvia comes about 1milj Russians they all start to live in Latvian homes. They take over leading companys.
In about 1945 Latvian future teller Finks predicts Latvia will again be free when the year will write from each side identicaly.
This prediction camed to life when in 1991 Latvia got it 2nd freedom after baricades and Baltic road (ppl from all 3 Baltic countrys standed together holded theyre hands and formed live chain From Estonia through Latvia till Liethuania.
Wheew this is just a very very very short history explanation. Latvias history is very long not like Americans for example.
rhialto said:
1. Karlis Ulmanis helped to form first independant Latvia state. Aswell he was primeminister of Latvia and later Latvia's president from 1934-1940. In his time Latvia went economaly upwards and was one of the best countrys in europe in science & education.
Alternative Hercoge Jekab he wasn't Latvian but in his time 17 cenury Latvia was 3 best in export in Europe. It produced ships, canons, and all other things. It even had 2 colonys: Tobago & Gambija
2. Didn't get the question.
3. History: In about 10'000 year BC in Latvia camed first people. Latvians (Balts) had they're own unique ceramick culture, they were food gatherers and farmers. Balts had they're own religy which was based that god isn't materialistick and that devil is easily fooled, and devil isn't such horrible than in other religys. Balts got energy from nature - from trees, rivers and land. They lived very peacfull till 7 century AD when first conquarers comes to Latvia shores. Till then Greek and Roman scientists (Herodot & Ptolemai) and explorers described Balts as very peacfull, smart and religious tribe. From all europe people camed to Latvia because here lived many sages, future predictors and healers. In one chronicle decribed one moment when to Latvia camed people from Germany with carts locked with locks. Latvians didn't understand why is it needed because Latvians didn't close the doors, didn't lock chests with they're savings because they didn't steal from each other.
When in 7century camed Scandinavs they started to conquare Balt religy and ocupie they're land. Later in 11 century and Russians, Poles and Germans started to conquare Balts in so called holy wars. Germans to get new crusaders armys started to write bad things about Balts that they all are beasts and they have some kind of uncristian religy. Balts fought against oppresors with a lot fewer army f.e. against 10'000 conquarers they could get about 5'000 men. But Balts woned a lot of fights. But unfortunatly with years population was drown down and 13 century Latvians was ocupied.
The first ocuppers were Germans. They lasted in Latvia till 1561 when in Latvia started Livonian war. Latvia was attacked by russians but was conquared by Sweden and Liethuania-Poland. But in this time latvians made lots of uprises to get themselves free.
In 18 century started North War when Latvia was conquared by caristick Russia.
Few years later in 1812 Napolion conquared Latvia for a while till they're army was destroyed near Moscow.
In 19 century in Latvia started NewLatvian movment. They started to renew ideas that there is Latvians and that they need to be united. In this time lived one of greatest Latvian man Krisjanis Barons he drived through all Latvia and gathered national songs (dainas) at the end of his life he had gathered more than 240'000 dainas. Also in this time was first Singing festival which took place in 1864. The singing festival now is included in UNESCO fund.
In 1905 in all Russia and aswell in Latvia started revolution which was later rebuffed but it gaved Latvians togethernes feeling.
1WW played impiortant role in Latvia history aswell in worlds. Because through Latvia went front line which seperated Russians from Germans. Latvia was devided into 2 sides: Germans controled West Latvia, Russians East. In 1915 was made first Latvian rifleman battalion. It braked front line but Russia didn't gave bacup soldiers to continue the attack they thought that the Latvian rifleman battalion will be destroyed. After these events russia made 3 more latvian battalions. Many important fights Latvia fought. In the end of WW1 In russia was revolution and Germany had lost the war. So in 1918 years 18 november in National theater was formed independant Latvia. With this event started the Freedom fights against Russia and Germany. The Red Army (Russian) drove Latvian goverment to Liepajas harbour where the goverment sated on the English ship so that they couldnt be harmed at this time Latvia buyed about 5000 rifles from England and formed thayre own army. Latvians with sneaky help of Russians regained Latvia. And near Cesis Estonian and North Latvian army destroyed Germans. At this time in Riga 10'000 students went to fight for freedom against 50'000 proffesional Bermouth army with artilery and armour. When in this fight the students amunition ended thay putted on the pikes and charged against 5X bigger Bermouth army and woned. Next day in English press on title page was just one word written "MIRACLE".
In 1920 Latvia had fought to get they're independance and had free country. They were fast growing in evrey sphere.
In 1940 year USSR ocupies Latvia and deportates more than 10'000 people. Later that year Germany ocuppies Latvia for one year till again USSR ocupies Latvia. In this Ocupation time USSR deportates 70'000 ppl kills about 100'000 ppl. Totaly: Befour WW2 Latvian population 2'000'000+
After WW2 Latvian population 1'000'000+
In this time Latvians are sent out of they're homes, churches has been vandalized. USSR proclaimes that russians should come to Latvia because here is paradize. So to Latvia comes about 1milj Russians they all start to live in Latvian homes. They take over leading companys.
In about 1945 Latvian future teller Finks predicts Latvia will again be free when the year will write from each side identicaly.
This prediction camed to life when in 1991 Latvia got it 2nd freedom after baricades and Baltic road (ppl from all 3 Baltic countrys standed together holded theyre hands and formed live chain From Estonia through Latvia till Liethuania.
Wheew this is just a very very very short history explanation. Latvias history is very long not like Americans for example.
casual_moose
that casual moose!
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Ill try to do something like what Furius did, though for a diferent country, or course...
The Dominion Of Canada
Leader: Jee whiz, uh, Tredeau? Pearson? Sir John A. Mcdonald? I really cant pick... but ill go with Trdeau...
Title: Prime Minister
Trait: Uh, agricultural (Saskatchewan, and all that!) Scientific (Lots of great scientists, Banting and Best, ect. ect, Graham Bell lived here, ect. ect.) probably some better ones but, meh.
Culture Group: American (The one America is in...)
Favourite Government: Democracy (well, it is our goverment, aside from the whole Queen/govorner General thing... but its still a democracy)
Suned goverment: Despot, or Communism (We live next too the US, so we basically hate the same things govenment wise...)
Aggression Level: Low (Were known as peacekeepers, one of our Prime Ministers won the nobel peace prize for peacekeeper stuff, people dont refer to us as militaristic, etc.)
City List:
Ottawa (Capital)
Toronto
Vancouver
Halifax
Kingston
Regina
Victoria
Montreal
Quebec City
St. Johns
Edmonton
Fredricton
Charlottown
Yellowknife
Whitehorse
Winnipeg
I can get more if you need more
Military Leaders: Arthur Curry, Isaac Brock (Though, he was British), aaww, Billy Bishop, was that him? his names ont he tip of my tounge... it starts with an R, I think... UN guy? Its come back.
Scientific: Fredrick Banting and Best, Graham Bell, Etc. If you want more ill get more...
History:
The area was first settled by French and British Colonists, and remianed that way for a bit. War broke out between them, and the British got the upper hand, and won. Through the Quebec Act the French peoples got to keep their language and culture rather than becoming entirely British, (Im skipping over a lot here) in 1812, the US attempted to invade British North America, but failed... in 1867 Sir John A Mcdonald along with a bunch of his buds came up with the idea of being independant, which was sparked for a couple of reasons. They eventually got themselves a union between the colonys in British North America, and created the Dominion Of Canada. (Skipping over some more...) in WW1 Canada served for the British, and made themselves known. One particularly important battle was Vimy Ridge, part of the British Arras Offensive (I think?). Both the British and the French failed to take the Ridge, and Canada was assigned to the task. It was heavily defended, and nobody really thought we would win. Because of great Tactics, we won... (skipping over some more) flash forward to WW2, on D-Day, we where assigned to take Juno beach... did so succesfully... helped fight (Skip over some more...) one of our Prime ministers won the nobel peace prize for peacekeeping, nobel science for Banting and Best...
If you want a more in depth one, ill put one up, ot someone else can take a shot at it.
And, some of this might be wrong, as this is just off-hand kinda, so, yeah. Dont blame me... The history is kinda short cause im tired, and its Christmas eve! Give me a break.
The Dominion Of Canada
Leader: Jee whiz, uh, Tredeau? Pearson? Sir John A. Mcdonald? I really cant pick... but ill go with Trdeau...
Title: Prime Minister
Trait: Uh, agricultural (Saskatchewan, and all that!) Scientific (Lots of great scientists, Banting and Best, ect. ect, Graham Bell lived here, ect. ect.) probably some better ones but, meh.
Culture Group: American (The one America is in...)
Favourite Government: Democracy (well, it is our goverment, aside from the whole Queen/govorner General thing... but its still a democracy)
Suned goverment: Despot, or Communism (We live next too the US, so we basically hate the same things govenment wise...)
Aggression Level: Low (Were known as peacekeepers, one of our Prime Ministers won the nobel peace prize for peacekeeper stuff, people dont refer to us as militaristic, etc.)
City List:
Ottawa (Capital)
Toronto
Vancouver
Halifax
Kingston
Regina
Victoria
Montreal
Quebec City
St. Johns
Edmonton
Fredricton
Charlottown
Yellowknife
Whitehorse
Winnipeg
I can get more if you need more
Military Leaders: Arthur Curry, Isaac Brock (Though, he was British), aaww, Billy Bishop, was that him? his names ont he tip of my tounge... it starts with an R, I think... UN guy? Its come back.
Scientific: Fredrick Banting and Best, Graham Bell, Etc. If you want more ill get more...
History:
The area was first settled by French and British Colonists, and remianed that way for a bit. War broke out between them, and the British got the upper hand, and won. Through the Quebec Act the French peoples got to keep their language and culture rather than becoming entirely British, (Im skipping over a lot here) in 1812, the US attempted to invade British North America, but failed... in 1867 Sir John A Mcdonald along with a bunch of his buds came up with the idea of being independant, which was sparked for a couple of reasons. They eventually got themselves a union between the colonys in British North America, and created the Dominion Of Canada. (Skipping over some more...) in WW1 Canada served for the British, and made themselves known. One particularly important battle was Vimy Ridge, part of the British Arras Offensive (I think?). Both the British and the French failed to take the Ridge, and Canada was assigned to the task. It was heavily defended, and nobody really thought we would win. Because of great Tactics, we won... (skipping over some more) flash forward to WW2, on D-Day, we where assigned to take Juno beach... did so succesfully... helped fight (Skip over some more...) one of our Prime ministers won the nobel peace prize for peacekeeping, nobel science for Banting and Best...
If you want a more in depth one, ill put one up, ot someone else can take a shot at it.
And, some of this might be wrong, as this is just off-hand kinda, so, yeah. Dont blame me... The history is kinda short cause im tired, and its Christmas eve! Give me a break.
well I can say only americans , and others do not know geography very good . History is also on low level ( like my english ) . Serbia is important civilization. Serbs where first nation who start fight against germans in ww2. Serbia has independence in 1885 in berlin , before many europen and non european country. Serbs has kingdom and empire in 1200-1500. Serbs are much older than AMERICANS. I agree that serbia have not big influecne today , but that not reason not to be in civ4.
Samo Sloga Srbina Spasava
Samo Sloga Srbina Spasava
GeneralZed
look around...
Brazil should also be in the next Civ for many reasons:
Most important country in South America
First colony to get independent from the mother land and had first basic law.
One of the biggest countries in the world.
Had only monarchy in the Americas.
The leader should be Don Pedro I. and UU could be the Bandeirante.
Cuba is another possibility with the Leader Fidel Castro and I dont have no idea which UU should be used... maybe some mobile nuke launchers?
Most important country in South America
First colony to get independent from the mother land and had first basic law.
One of the biggest countries in the world.
Had only monarchy in the Americas.
The leader should be Don Pedro I. and UU could be the Bandeirante.
Cuba is another possibility with the Leader Fidel Castro and I dont have no idea which UU should be used... maybe some mobile nuke launchers?
Smidgey
Warlord
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Civ:
Scotland
Leader:
Robert Bruce ( No need to say, weve all seen Braveheart... even if it was historically innacurate
)
Scientific Leaders:
David Hume (Father of modern empirical philosophy)
Adam Smith (Writer of "The Wealth of Nations" and described first ever capitalist society)
James Watt (Inventor of the first ever steam engine, and as a result, the father of all modern engines and tranportation)
John Logie Baird (Inventor of the first Television)
Alexander Flemming (Discovered Penicilling, the first antibiotic, and as a result has saved more lives worldwide than any other drug)
Alexander Graham Bell (Inventor of the telephone)
Military Leaders:
William Wallace (Same as Bruce)
Bonnie Prince Charlie (Invaded England with an army of highland Scots, would ahve reached London and won if he had not turned back because of troop morale)
Alexander III (Brought the first Golden age to Scotland, along with his father Alexander II, and defeated the Vikings at the battle of Largs)
John Baliol (Stood againt the English puppeteers amd was imprisoned in the tower of London for his actions)
Preffered Government:
Democracy
Shunned Government:
Faciasm
City List:
Edinburgh
Glasgow
Stirling
Aberdeen
Dundee
Perth
Saint Andrews
Inverness
and so on... cant be bothered making a huge list right now
anything else which i may have forgotten?
Scotland
Leader:
Robert Bruce ( No need to say, weve all seen Braveheart... even if it was historically innacurate
)Scientific Leaders:
David Hume (Father of modern empirical philosophy)
Adam Smith (Writer of "The Wealth of Nations" and described first ever capitalist society)
James Watt (Inventor of the first ever steam engine, and as a result, the father of all modern engines and tranportation)
John Logie Baird (Inventor of the first Television)
Alexander Flemming (Discovered Penicilling, the first antibiotic, and as a result has saved more lives worldwide than any other drug)
Alexander Graham Bell (Inventor of the telephone)
Military Leaders:
William Wallace (Same as Bruce)
Bonnie Prince Charlie (Invaded England with an army of highland Scots, would ahve reached London and won if he had not turned back because of troop morale)
Alexander III (Brought the first Golden age to Scotland, along with his father Alexander II, and defeated the Vikings at the battle of Largs)
John Baliol (Stood againt the English puppeteers amd was imprisoned in the tower of London for his actions)
Preffered Government:
Democracy
Shunned Government:
Faciasm
City List:
Edinburgh
Glasgow
Stirling
Aberdeen
Dundee
Perth
Saint Andrews
Inverness
and so on... cant be bothered making a huge list right now
anything else which i may have forgotten?
Latvian "Hound"
Chieftain
Hehe I can see I'm still the only one o dar who have written normal lenght history althought it was very very shortened )
)
Zenon_pt
Civing on the real world
Furius said:
Hi Furius, long time no seen!
So now you accept a New Zealand civ' with the Maori backgroud ?!?
Now the Maori aren't Polyneasian???
Marx
Warlord
EddyG17 said:
You Remember the name Kosovo?
casual_moose said:
Cities need to include Niagara Falls (where I live) and London (where I go to school) only other civs have stolen those...
Currie is a good choice. Bishop wasn't a military commander though, IIRC he was a fighter pilot, albeit a very good one. WWII and Korea should have produced some MGLs for Canada.
I'd go with Sir John A or Pearson over Trudea. Or better yet, Don Cherry!
Traits - agricultural and expansionist. Second largest land area in the world, after all.
Furius
Prince
Ahh, but I didn't include anything before 1840 so technically, I'm still contradicting myself, but less so, I hope. Anyway it was just supposed to encourage other people to write full-length things too, which seems to be happening.
drina_light
Chieftain
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When choosing civilizations, CIV4 developers should consider civilizations that had/have impact on the developmet of the world in various aspects such as culture, religion, military, commerce etc. The civs we have so far in CIV3 and addons have been picked well, and all of them left some trace on this world. The guy who insists on Serbs and Albanians or whatever slavic or non-slavic tribe inhabiting the Balkan must know that those little nations cannot be considered as particular civilizations, because they are only fragments of overall Slav population in Europe, which in this game is well represented by the Russian civilization; apart of murdering the Austrian prince, and mass murders in Balkan wars throughout 20th century, Serbs haven't made anything that would qualify them as a civilization - they are only a part of wider Slavic Orthodox Christian civilization. Similar applies to Albanians, except that they could be categorized (mainly) as part of Ottoman Islamic Civilization.
Here is my proposal for the civs, and there should not be too many:
Europe:
England (Anglo-Saxons), Germany (Germany and Austria), Russia (Slavs), France (Franks), Italy (Rome), Hispania (Spain, Portugal), Scandinavia (Norway, Sweden, Danemark, Finland {terve
}), Ottomans (Turkey and turcophonic countries in the Caucassus), Greece and Netherlands. (11)
Asia:
China, Japan, Arabia, Hebrew, India (India, Bangladesh,Pakistan), Indochina (SE Asian countries and cultures), perhaps Korea (although I don't know much about their culture and achievements), Babylon and Persia (8 or 9)
Africa
Egypt, Carthagene, Zulu, Abyssinia (Ethiopia) and Subsaharan Africans (somebody listed names of all those small nations and cultures in that region) (5)
Americas:
Maya, Inca, Aztec, Sioux, Iroquois, North Americans (US and Canada) (6)
Australia/Oceania:
Poor guys didn't even had chance against the White Men, but frankly they haven't left much behind them except the big heads on Easter Island.
As for small nations and native tribes world wide, their names should not be left out. Perhaps it would be good idea to have them not only as barbarians in those small sheds but also that they have their own cities (one or two) without possibility to expand (that they cannot produce settlers) or develop technology. In fact, that is main reason why they haven't made it to become big nations.
PS. My intention was not to offend anyone when I said "small nations".
Here is my proposal for the civs, and there should not be too many:
Europe:
England (Anglo-Saxons), Germany (Germany and Austria), Russia (Slavs), France (Franks), Italy (Rome), Hispania (Spain, Portugal), Scandinavia (Norway, Sweden, Danemark, Finland {terve
}), Ottomans (Turkey and turcophonic countries in the Caucassus), Greece and Netherlands. (11)Asia:
China, Japan, Arabia, Hebrew, India (India, Bangladesh,Pakistan), Indochina (SE Asian countries and cultures), perhaps Korea (although I don't know much about their culture and achievements), Babylon and Persia (8 or 9)
Africa
Egypt, Carthagene, Zulu, Abyssinia (Ethiopia) and Subsaharan Africans (somebody listed names of all those small nations and cultures in that region) (5)
Americas:
Maya, Inca, Aztec, Sioux, Iroquois, North Americans (US and Canada) (6)
Australia/Oceania:
Poor guys didn't even had chance against the White Men, but frankly they haven't left much behind them except the big heads on Easter Island.
As for small nations and native tribes world wide, their names should not be left out. Perhaps it would be good idea to have them not only as barbarians in those small sheds but also that they have their own cities (one or two) without possibility to expand (that they cannot produce settlers) or develop technology. In fact, that is main reason why they haven't made it to become big nations.
PS. My intention was not to offend anyone when I said "small nations".
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