1. We have added a Gift Upgrades feature that allows you to gift an account upgrade to another member, just in time for the holiday season. You can see the gift option when going to the Account Upgrades screen, or on any user profile screen.
    Dismiss Notice

[NFP] New Heroes

Discussion in 'Civ - Ideas & Suggestions' started by Sirsquier, Nov 10, 2020.

  1. Duke William of Normandy

    Duke William of Normandy Warlord

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2020
    Messages:
    282
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Earth
    Oooh... Didn't know that song existed, but I get it now. :lol:
     
    Zaarin likes this.
  2. mdl5000

    mdl5000 Warlord

    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2012
    Messages:
    289
    still-living Elvis Presley
    Bigfoot
     
  3. Evie

    Evie Pronounced like Eevee

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2002
    Messages:
    8,987
    Gender:
    Female
    Location:
    Ottawa, Ontario
    I'm curious; any particular reason to go for Aoife/Alfe? From what I can see of her, her story seems fairly undevelopped, especially compared to her sister Scathach.
     
  4. Zaarin

    Zaarin Chief Medical Officer, DS9

    Joined:
    May 14, 2016
    Messages:
    7,796
    Location:
    Terok Nor
    No particular reason, and Scáthach probably is a better choice overall. Medb could be another, though she wasn't a warrior.
     
  5. Alexander's Hetaroi

    Alexander's Hetaroi Deity

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2017
    Messages:
    5,195
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Texas
    I second, or third, Robin Hood. Surprised he didn't make the cut already but I guess between him and King Arthur it makes sense.
    Of course he should have 3 range and the ability to steal gold from the richest player and distribute it to the others. :mischief:

    John Henry would be cool too if railroads were useful.
     
  6. TeddyMain

    TeddyMain Warlord

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2019
    Messages:
    203
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Texas
    I definitely second Davy Crockett as a new hero, and third (fourth?) Robin Hood.

    I'd personally love to see some more Native American folk heroes, my two favorite ones being Ekeuhnick (Inupiat folk-figure) and Ayas/Ayashe (Cree folk-hero)
     
  7. God of Kings

    God of Kings Ruler of all heads of state

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2012
    Messages:
    5,342
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Toronto, Ontario, Canada
    Himiko was also a real person, and yet, she's in the update.

    Speaking of real people who become deified, I would suggest the addition of Imhotep who can rush-build an ancient-era wonder and provide many hammers for later wonders, especially given the lack of other notable folk heroes from ancient Egypt.
     
    Last edited: Nov 14, 2020
  8. Alexander's Hetaroi

    Alexander's Hetaroi Deity

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2017
    Messages:
    5,195
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Texas
    He's already confirmed to be one of the new Great People as a Great Engineer.
     
  9. AsH2

    AsH2 Prince

    Joined:
    Aug 2, 2002
    Messages:
    383
    Location:
    Sweden
  10. Duke William of Normandy

    Duke William of Normandy Warlord

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2020
    Messages:
    282
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Earth
    Sinbad has been confirmed in the Babylon Livestream!! :)
     
  11. Ryansinbela

    Ryansinbela Warlord

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2017
    Messages:
    200
    Gender:
    Male
  12. Venceslau Pietro Pietra

    Venceslau Pietro Pietra Chieftain

    Joined:
    May 12, 2020
    Messages:
    24
    Gender:
    Male
    Delilah, with the power to nullify the powers of a enemy hero
     
  13. God of Kings

    God of Kings Ruler of all heads of state

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2012
    Messages:
    5,342
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Toronto, Ontario, Canada
    The calf boy and the tiger cub boy (both of whom were later transformed into humans) from a Thai story by poet Phra Maha Raja-Kru (พระมหาราชครู) could be added as heroes in a future edition of Civ.

    Here's a link to the Thai Wikipedia for that story: เสือโคคำฉันท์

    Unfortunately, there's no widely available English translation, despite it being in the public domain.

    Here's the full text of that story: https://th.wikisource.org/wiki/เสือโคคำฉันท์ (again, only in Thai)
     
  14. God of Kings

    God of Kings Ruler of all heads of state

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2012
    Messages:
    5,342
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Toronto, Ontario, Canada
    Disney does not own exclusive rights to Aladdin, given that he's in the public domain, so I'm suggesting Aladdin, just like how Disney does not own exclusive rights to Hercules (and Hercules is already in Civ VI).

    Aladdin has three charges (to reflect the three wishes from the genie). If he's on a commercial hub, he generates gold. If he's on a campus, he generates science. If he's on a holy site, he generates faith. If he's on an industrial zone, he generates production. If he's on a neighbourhood, he generates population. If he's on a diplomatic quarter, he generates diplomatic favour. If he's on an encampment, he generates a random military unit that can be built and is appropriate for the era. And so on and so forth.
     
  15. Evie

    Evie Pronounced like Eevee

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2002
    Messages:
    8,987
    Gender:
    Female
    Location:
    Ottawa, Ontario
    Aladdin isn't problematic because of Disney. Aladdin is problematic because he's the poster boy for some the most eggregious excess of orientalism and exoticism across western literature. He doesn't have a culture or a nationality; he's just a character from "Somewhere in the mysterious east" (China, or increasingly Arabia), but wherever he comes from, his homeland is a mix of clichés about the strange ways of the East.

    And he's not even a significant chararacter in Middle Eastern legends - as in as far as I think we know, the first written version of Aladdin's story was actually written in the very Eastern country of...France. By a French writer. Based on oral stories told by a Lebanese Christian monk, true but still - the fact that we don't have any Middle Eastern written source for the story before the French tells us how culturally relevant he was in the region (hint: not much). In the same light, most of our modern image of Aladdin is a mix of that French version of the story, English pantomine, and, of course, Disney. And I, for one, would rather not have a Middle Eastern hero who largely comes from Anglo-French sources.

    There'S a long list of Middle Eastern heroes who deserve to get in ahead of Aladdin (starting with, if we want the 1001 nights, Scheherazade herself).
     
  16. God of Kings

    God of Kings Ruler of all heads of state

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2012
    Messages:
    5,342
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Toronto, Ontario, Canada
    Thanks so much for clarifying about Aladdin.
     
  17. Lord of War N02

    Lord of War N02 Grand Master of the East

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2010
    Messages:
    92
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Somewhere on Earth
    Interesting, I know that story about a tiger cub and calf boy become humans. For Thai heroes, I think Khun Paen from Khun Chang Khun Paen is a better Thai candidate for new hero to be added into a game. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khun_Chang_Khun_Phaen

    For other SE Asian heroes like Malay hero named Merong Mahawangsa can be good idea to be new hero. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merong_Mahawangsa
     

Share This Page