New to Civ3 - impressions

DaveDash

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I just picked up the 'complete' civ3 pack that comes with the expansion over the weekend.

I'd first like to say that while I've heard of Civ for a while, I actually cut my teeth on Alpha Centuri and then later Call to Power 2 (which I enjoy very much).
Now I get the impression that Call to Power is somewhat looked down upon by civ players so don't hold that against me.

Anyway. I started my first Civ game on Monarchy, thinking it was the medium difficulty level in the beginning (after all, it's in the middle). Suffice to say by the time I got to around 1400AD I was sufficiently trailing the computer players and not really in a position to win the game.
I also had exceptionally poor luck during that game with rampant barbarian uprisings hindering my progress and so forth.

My second game I started as the Romans on "regeant", and it's so far considerably better.
I do not have the highest population (damn Chinese) but I am coming third overall and leading in tech. With Rome I powered straight through to Republic quickly (getting philosphy first and then instantly getting code of laws). I'm around 1100AD and I feel I am in an easy position to win this game.

Anyhow, I enjoy this game a lot. I played the original civ for a while but I got frustrated at it. The civ3 worker system isn't too different from the terraformers in Alpha Centuri, and I don't really miss the 'public works' system in Call to Power 2 (although I enjoyed that too).

However the combat system in the civ games (including AC) is really lacking. The whole Call to Power system is so far superior here I find combat in Civ bland and unenjoyable.
The whole army manager system in Call to Power made it exceptionally easy to build and manage large armies that you could organize into stacks.
Also the war readiness stances and so forth in CTP2 made the combat aspect something I miss.
Overall however Civ3 seems to have a much deeper 'strategy' element and diplomacy is very good.

It seems very buggy and unstable however for a game of such a calibre(a lot of my fonts are an aweful pinkish colour, civ3 vanilla crashes when loading scenarios, etc etc etc). Reading through these people 'resintalling' seems to be the common fix for everything.
Did this game ship with something like safedisc? (copy protection that causes the legit users grief and never stops piracy anyway, almost all games with something like safedisc never install properly among other problems)

After about a good 12 hours of my weekend being dedicated to playing this game I can safetly say it was a great purchase.
Now, onto wasting valuable company hours browsing this forum.
 
It seems very buggy and unstable however for a game of such a calibre(a lot of my fonts are an aweful pinkish colour, civ3 vanilla crashes when loading scenarios, etc etc etc). Reading through these people 'resintalling' seems to be the common fix for everything.

Did you get the patch?

Did this game ship with something like safedisc? (copy protection that causes the legit users grief and never stops piracy anyway, almost all games with something like safedisc never install properly among other problems)

I think so. I tried to copy it, but it wouldn't. Maybe because it was broken.
 
Welcome! :beer:

buggy is an issue, and theres no further patch plans (oh complete doesnt even have the final patch!)

so yea, keep playing and ejoying, but get that patch.
 
Babbler said:
Did you get the patch?



I think so. I tried to copy it, but it wouldn't. Maybe because it was broken.

The package I got came patched right up to 1.22 I think, but I installed the latest patch anyway.
Believe me one of the first things I did was check to see if their was a patch to fix my pink fonts( and have a look through these forums).

Red is the colour of Rome, not Pink. :)

As I say I suspect that many of the problems are actually copy protection giving people corrupt installs, since the advice of many people in the forums is 're-install'.
 
Civ is pretty stable. The bugs people refer to are gameplay bugs, nothing you will notice before playing for a couple hundred hours.
So, if you're told to reinstall, that isn't resignation. It's just that the game suffers from (almost) no technical problems, if installed properly.
 
DaveDash said:
...a lot of my fonts are an aweful pinkish colour...
Are you using the Clear Type font setting?

To check: Right click on the Windows desktop screen > Appearances tab > Effects

There should be a box entitled "use the following method to smooth edges of screen fonts", this needs to be on standard for civ to display without the pink text.
 
Zakharov said:
Are you using the Clear Type font setting?

To check: Right click on the Windows desktop screen > Appearances tab > Effects

There should be a box entitled "use the following method to smooth edges of screen fonts", this needs to be on standard for civ to display without the pink text.

Ahh. Ill check this when I get home.

Thank you very much.
 
Correction: Right click on desktop > Properties > Appearances tab > Effects
 
Padma said:
And yes, the game ships with SafeDisc, or SecureROM, or something like that. I agree that it doesn't really stop piracy, and it is the cause of many of the problems people have that require reinstalling. :mad:

..and not just in Civ3. Almost every game I have purchased that has SafeDisc except for one (Neverwinter Nights, but others certainly experianced problems) has had issues ranging from corrupt installs to the game not working out of the box.
It took me a good day just to get LOMAC to work out of the box, I eventually had to install it on another machine then copy all the registry files across along with the game because it refused to install correctly using my CDROM.

I know my way around a computer so these things are a minor annoyance to me, but many people don't and will be put off X publisher/game/developer after that.

Almost as ridiculous as the security measures that Half Life 2 takes, the EB here reported that many peoples installs corrupted and they had to literally give them a completely new game due to the game NEVER installing again after that.
All these measures are for naught too I might add.

It's ridiculous if you ask me. I'm all for combating piracy because the more money the gaming industry has the less likely we'll see console-like 12 hour games dominating the market, but don't do it to the detriment and frustration of your existing customers.

A bit off topic, sorry :)
 
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