new UA for Mongolians?
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TheMarshmallowBear
Benelovent Chieftain of the Ursu Kingdom
No other civ is going to get a major overhaul as France (source : 4th Q&A)
We also know that India and Arabia to name a few (source : 4th Q&A) are getting minor overhauls.
We also know that India and Arabia to name a few (source : 4th Q&A) are getting minor overhauls.
Navelgazer
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Kate told us in the last Q&A that aside from France, Arabia and India would have some smaller adjustments. She made reference to other civs possibly getting some tweaking as well, but I personally doubt it will be Mongolia.
Basically, having the bonus against other civs works poorly for MP, especially considering that their mounted-unit speed bonus is already very, very strong. The CS bonus helps them rip through those faster to get back to fighting other civs, I'd say. The UA is fine in my book. (Though I know there's a lot of disagreement on that.)
Basically, having the bonus against other civs works poorly for MP, especially considering that their mounted-unit speed bonus is already very, very strong. The CS bonus helps them rip through those faster to get back to fighting other civs, I'd say. The UA is fine in my book. (Though I know there's a lot of disagreement on that.)
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While the Mongolian UA is pretty weak when considered by itself, the whole civ is quite strong. You should never compare civs only on one part of their unique mechanics, but on the civ as a whole. Therefore there is no reason for an overhaul for the Mongols.
Louis XXIV
Le Roi Soleil
The Mongols are the perfect example of why you have to judge a Civ by its whole, not by its parts. The Keshik is possibly the best unique unit in the game and the Khan is quite good. Given this, a weak UA is necessary to ensure the Civ is balanced. The Mongols need no changes.
Exactly this. Mongolia is too powerful as it is. They're the best/most fun military civ but I rarely play them because they're so easy. If you get 6 or 7 Keshiks going before turn 100 the WORLD IS DOOMED!!!
Viregel
, The Rt. Hon.
I think I remember something about taking over city-states being more useful. I don't know where I found it, and it's likely just me.
Bakspatel
Prince
I hope so, conquering CS is quite often pointless as the benefit of allying them is usually more beneficial. The only time I consider conquering them is when they're allied with another civ I am in war with. Just an extra resource for your own use isn't worth the warmongering penalty.
stealth_nsk
Deity
We know warmongering calculations are different in BNW, less strict. Not sure about exact effect, but this seem to benefit Mongols indirectly as they'll most likely will be able to afford capturing 1-2 city-states without having too big diplo problems.
CleverFool
Warlord
As others have said, it's the Keshik that makes the Civ shine. You're right that their other abilities aren't too special, but if you made them much stronger then Mongolia would dominate the world every time.
Which historically would actually make sense, but I digress...
Which historically would actually make sense, but I digress...
Tsar NicholasII
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Mongolia weak? Get Autocracy with the Blitzkrieg tenant and you'll have Mongolian armored divisions moving at 7 tiles per turn and their Great Khans will be able to give boosts to like 2-3 battles each turn with a movement of 8.
tomtom5858
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Since when is double bombers and +30gpt "pretty weak"?
It is weak if you compare it to portugal. More money from trade routes, luxury resources from city states without spending money on them, and a UU that travels faster and gives you cash
tomtom5858
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However, the Portuguese don't get double hometown luxes or a top 5 UU. The Arabian UA is certainly worse in G&K compared to the Portuguese UA, but it will be changed in BNW, and Arabia is better as a whole than Portugal, thanks to the deadly UU and fantastic UB.
The Bazaar is indeed pretty strong (one of my favourite uB, along with the stele), but it is depending on your surrounding (2*10 sugar isnt gonna help that much as it could have). Where as CS always have different resources.
But granted, its a long time since i played them. Im certainly not saying they are weak, but money output wise, portugal will probably be better
But granted, its a long time since i played them. Im certainly not saying they are weak, but money output wise, portugal will probably be better
adwcta
King
OT, but Arabia's hypothetical UA would work for ALL trade routes, not just international trade routes. It would allow for a wide empire to better build up its secondary cities (e.g. Rome's UA's synergies). Stealing CS lux-es is probably about the same as the Bazaar in terms of profitability, but you have to physically reach these CSs, which can be a pain. The UU is a bit ridiculous though.
I do think the comparison makes these two civs very similar in how they function, except one is more suitable for wide+land and the other for tall+sea.
