New Unit: Global Terrorist

[Awsric Armitage]

Thanks for the units guys and if your offended by the arab just change that part of the .ini to something more neutral. These units work great to simulate what I need. Thanks again.

 

[AKauhanen]

GREAT UNIT !!!
Don't understand how someone could take this unit as offensive!? (Arab or) Muslim suesidebombers are a reality in the world today. Closing your eyes from this reality is ignorant and wrong to all the people killed in sueside bomber attacks. I made a "Normal" sueside bomber for other civs what isen't as effective as the Muslim sueside bomber unit. So now muslim civs have a new tactical special unit in modern times. Hmm.. has someone made a Fanatic with a AK-47 ? Or a European Tiger Helicopter ??

 

[frenchman]

Originally posted by AKauhanen
GREAT UNIT !!!
Don't understand how someone could take this unit as offensive!? (Arab or) Muslim suesidebombers are a reality in the world today. Closing your eyes from this reality is ignorant and wrong to all the people killed in sueside bomber attacks. I made a "Normal" sueside bomber for other civs what isen't as effective as the Muslim sueside bomber unit. So now muslim civs have a new tactical special unit in modern times. Hmm.. has someone made a Fanatic with a AK-47 ? Or a European Tiger Helicopter ??

I was in Paris when the Subway was attacked by terrorists in the 90's... If you had seen like me the horror of such things you could understand that someone could be offensed by such a unit... Think to the victims ... And think too to the arab or muslim who are perhaps tired to be associated with terrorism ...
But like I said everyone is free .... Take this unit if you want , personnaly I will not ...

too serious subject to be discussed in civfanatics forum !... I come here just for fun ...

 

[W.i.n.t.e.r]

Originally posted by frenchman


But like I said everyone is free .... Take this unit if you want , personnaly I will not ...

too serious subject to be discussed in civfanatics forum !... I come here just for fun ...

Couldn't agree more (I personally might not use it- mainly due to the fact that I wouldn't know how to incorporate it in the gamer nicely... appart from that I stick to the Fun of things, since this is what Civ3 is meant for, init?)

 

[frenchman]

Originally posted by W.i.n.t.e.r


Couldn't agree more (I personally might not use it- mainly due to the fact that I wouldn't know how to incorporate it in the gamer nicely... appart from that I stick to the Fun of things, since this is what Civ3 is meant for, init?)

I'm sorry I don't understand right your remark ( problem of translation ... ) Do you agree with me or not ... Just to know....

 

[akinkhoo]

wouldn't it be logical that the terrorist would cover their damn face and try to "dress up" conventionally?
this was a stupid design to try and add "colour" to the unit

 

[A Viking Yeti]

Too assume that he's an Arab or Muslim seems sorta offensive to me. He could be a fanatic who is really Indian or Native American that just likes the clothes. Also, other cultures where those kind of clothes too, not just Arabs or Muslims. Some countries in that region allow terrorist to operate without persecution, so it would seem most likely that a terrorist would come from a region in which terrorism is not nessecarily frowned upon. If he was white then you'd call him the unibomber, but you would consider it racist, would you? I know, how about we make his skin civ-specific? Then he'd end up blue or purple. Or you could just make it a van, and have the van blow up, then you don't have to deal with any of these totalitarian ideas.

BTW: I'm not agreeing with racism, I'm argueing with flawed arguements against racism. I don't mean to offend anyone, just point out some facts that came to my attention.

EDIT: Is it totalitarian or totalitarianistic?

 

[Flamegrape]

How can an ethnic group of people be "offended" when they have been "offended" from the very beginning? They already feel that they have been "humiliated" by the West. Trying to be politically correct will not help them hate all of us less. I have no sympathy for them whatsoever.

I like the arab terrorist unit

 

[OFaustusFaustus]

I am deeply offended that you have depicted militant Wahhabi terrorists that come almost exlusively from the Middle East and North Africa and whose figurehead is Arab, with brown skin! What were you thinking! The next thing you know, people will start making Nazi unit graphics with white skin! And besides, it is probably deeply offensive to consentration camp survivors to see all these WWII mods with Nazi units... maybe we should ban all units, because there are some people that have been victims of warfare, and it might offend them... or maybe if I'm offended, I just won't download it... huh... but come to think of it, maybe I'll just have enough faith in people's intelligence to realize that most people are able to make distictions between the actions of a relatively small group of people and the larger ethnic group they happen to be a part of, and from there not feel the need to censor everything in sight. And maybe I'll let my ego die just enough to realize that the world doesn't revolve around my emotions and opinions...

 

[zulu9812]

well said...

 

[Gogf]

A glorious entry into CFC. Welcome!

 

[unscratchedfoot]

Sign of the times... out of control political correctness.

Bring on the terrorist units please. The only problem I see is the AI is quite likely not gonna use it even if correctly set up as a cruise missile.

 

[W.i.n.t.e.r]

Originally posted by unscratchedfoot
Sign of the times... out of control political correctness.

Bring on the terrorist units please. The only problem I see is the AI is quite likely not gonna use it even if correctly set up as a cruise missile.

Arglll- a missile unit with hidden nationality flag- right, who is gonna build a "rogue spear" nuke ?

 

[akinkhoo]

Originally posted by Flamegrape
How can an ethnic group of people be "offended" when they have been "offended" from the very beginning? They already feel that they have been "humiliated" by the West. Trying to be politically correct will not help them hate all of us less. I have no sympathy for them whatsoever.

are you saying that you should continue offending people because your father offended their father?

 

[Conterfiet_Dime]

I think the point Flamegrape is trying to make is that the mere existence of christians, jews, hindhus, ect. offends muslims.

"Do not keep christians and jews for friends." The Koran

 

[horsematrix]

I just downloaded this unit and I feel it adds a lot of realism to this game good work

 

[Golden_Dragon]

I must put my two cents in on this one! Oddly enough I came to this thread thinking that the "Global Terrorist" was Ted Kazinski The so-called Unabomber. Imagine my surprise when I saw him. Then I felt silly for having thought would I did, but you're right, I expected a white guy! Funny.

 

[Awsric Armitage]

Does not really matter the flavor of the unit terrorsit are a part of history just as Nazis were in world war two and any other offensive units.

To model history with exclusions os to forget history which maens it is easier repeated.

Toleave out things because they offend is the wrong appraoch; however to educate why they offend is not.

 

[Wlambr]

Borrowing or ignoring the past or present is not going to work. It never has in the past so why should it work now. We are products of our past and of society and contemporarity, and not facing part of that, is not facing or refusing to understand the world we live in. It is possible of course but I should question the wiseness. The real deal when adding a unit like this is adding it correctly - how do you get access to terrorists, when, why?

I think somebody ought to get their priorities sorted out. Objecting to one sort of unit, while not thinking twice (except in ability to clean up pollution) before unleashing nuclear holocaust? C'mon people!?! I lived during the most tense long drawn-out nuclear conflict in the history of man. Should I think: [sean_connery_voice]"no that red button unit has to go. It's offensive. Nobody should use it!"[/sean-connery-voice] or instead reflect that [puzzlement]"bugger - such a nice simulation of the creation of society, yet Sid doesn't really manage to construct the balance of nuclear terror (i.e. having a nuke pointing at a point 100 metres above your home)... how sad that such a central theme in development of the modern world can not be part of the experience..."[/puzzlement]? History doesn't not move in circles, it only looks like it, that's why denying the past is damn dangerous...

EDIT: Having read finally noticed Armitage's fine post just above, I'm must say I agree almost completely with his many good points

 

[DoubleT]

Wlambr has said most of it, so i wont repeat.. But I agree with him. Terrorist are some evil people, just like the Nazi where in WWII. And alot of other people around the world is/has bin.

Yes there are other Terrorist groups then the Arabien ones (IRA, Rote Armee Fraction etc.). But they never killed as many people, like 9/11.

So Yes

Remember the past, and present, so we dont repeat our mistakes...