newbie questions

[Henrik MN]

Hi!

Just started playing this great game. Learned much from the tutorial in the game. Got a few questions though.

In the city screen, watching the resources that souronds my city, some of them have a black cirkle, why? I guess its because there should be more of them but for some reason I cant harvest them all? Why?

Question 2: Also in the city screen, wathing the resources, there is a + sign next to one energy resource on the city tile. What does that mean?


Thanks!

ps. sorry for my bad english

 

[Aabraxan]

It's been a while since I played, so my memory may be faulty. Hopefully, someone who knows better than I remember will be along shortly to help out. With that caveat, the black circle and the fact that you can't harvest all of them may be related. There's a cap on food, minerals and energy, and each cap is lifted by researching a different technology. I can't, off the top of my head, recall which tech lifts which cap, unfortunately. I'm afraid that I don't remember the + sign, so I can't help you at all there.

Your English is fine, by the way.

 

[vyeh]

The black circle should surround a "2". It means you will get more of that resource once you've researched the appropriate technology.

With the exception of bonus squares, you are limited to 2 nutrients (until you have researched Gene Splicing), 2 minerals (Ecological Engineering) and 2 energy (Environmental Engineering).

If you have 8+ for the energy resource, it means there is more that 8 energy credits generated from that square. The game shows 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 and 8 resource units and then 8+ for greater than 8.

How did you get the game?

 

[Henrik MN]

Thanks alot!

I bought the game from a friend.

 

[Henrik MN]

I have two more question.

Why do I get angry citiziens, "because military unit away from territory", when an armed air unit is on "hold" in a city? It is within my territory!

I built the recreation common but that didnt help. Why?

 

[Petek]

I have two more question.

Why do I get angry citiziens, "because military unit away from territory", when an armed air unit is on "hold" in a city? It is within my territory!

Most likely, you have a negative Police rating. Here's the description of negative police ratings from alphax.txt:

-5, Two extra drones for each military unit away from territory
-4, Extra drone for each military unit away from territory
-3, Extra drone if more than one military unit away from territory
-2, Cannot use military units as police. No nerve stapling.
-1, One police unit allowed. No nerve stapling.

For example, if you're running Free Market, that decreases your Police rating by 5. Military units outside your territory that are supported by that base will cause drones. Also, in that case military units in a base don't supress drones.

I built the recreation common but that didnt help. Why?

Perhaps the base has several military units outside your territory. The rec commons would only supress two drones. Also note that needlejets and choppers count as being "away from your territory" no matter where they are located. An exception is air units with the "air superiority" ability. They only cause drones if they really are outside your territory.

HTH

Petek

 

[Henrik MN]

Ok, so they count as away no matter where there are, ok ok. Thanks. Hmm, but there were only one so the rec commons should fix it, but maybe there were other resons too for drones?

One more question: it seems like building a mine on a square will reduce nutriens by 1, is that correct? Say if a square has a farm and is producing 2 nutriens, and I build a mine, then the nuitriens will be 1. Correct? The civilopia doesnt say that about mines! I'am quit unsure myself but it seems like it is that way.

 

[Petek]

Ok, so they count as away no matter where there are, ok ok. Thanks. Hmm, but there were only one so the rec commons should fix it, but maybe there were other resons too for drones?

If you have a save file to post, I might be able to explain where the drones came from.

One more question: it seems like building a mine on a square will reduce nutriens by 1, is that correct? Say if a square has a farm and is producing 2 nutriens, and I build a mine, then the nuitriens will be 1. Correct? The civilopia doesnt say that about mines! I'am quit unsure myself but it seems like it is that way.

Yes, mines decrease nuts by one. It's mentioned in one of the appendixes to the manual. However, most players don't build a farm/mine on a square. Much better to forest it. You get nuts + mins + energy, which increases with Tree Farms and Hybrid Forests.

Petek

 

[Henrik MN]

Ok ok thanks.

Here is the save file. Look at my capital.

 

[Aabraxan]

I bought the game from a friend.

You have made a very wise purchase.

 

[Petek]

This is interesting. I learned something about SMACX while analyzing your game. It seems to me that drones are calculated in a specific order. You can end up with more drones than you would otherwise think you should have.

I found that citizens/drones/talents are calculated in this order:

Unmodified
Psych
Facilities
Pacificism
Secret Projects

(Unmodified refers to the number of citzens/drones based on difficulty level and base size.)

Your Morgan Industries has a population of 4. Since you're playing on Citizen level, you start with no drones. You haven't allocated any energy to psych, so that doesn't come into play. You built a rec commons, which would negate 2 drones, but you don't have any drones at this point in the calculation. Therefore, the rec commons have no effect. Next, you get 2 pacifism drones. You have no secret projects that affect drones or talents. Thus, your base has no talents, 2 citizens and 2 drones, resulting in drone riots. You can see this by going into Morgan Industries base screen and selecting the PSYCH button.

I would have expected the rec commons to nullify the pacifism drones, but it doesn't work that way.

Good question!

Petek

 

[Henrik MN]

I have played a couple of more games. It seems that buildings doesnt counter drones from units away from territory. Psych does though.

It's a bit strange I think. In civ games you can make buildings that counter it.

Well, makes it more interesten I guess. Hard to fight offencive wars when running free market. Read somewhere that you can make a punishment sphere and build units in that city.

Thanks for the help Petek. Do you play AC often? What level?

After taking some advice on terraforming and rapid expansion I beat citizien with ease. Time to move up for the next game.

 

[Petek]

I have played a couple of more games. It seems that buildings doesnt counter drones from units away from territory. Psych does though.

See this thread on Apolyton for more details on pacifism drones and base facilities.

Well, makes it more interesten I guess. Hard to fight offencive wars when running free market. Read somewhere that you can make a punishment sphere and build units in that city.

Should be plenty of threads on Apolyton about running Free Market while in vendetta, but I can't find any right now. I'll look again later.

Thanks for the help Petek. Do you play AC often? What level?

You're welcome. For many years I used to play almost every day. Now just two or three times a week, on Transcend.

After taking some advice on terraforming and rapid expansion I beat citizien with ease. Time to move up for the next game.

Great! Here's a link that you may wish to consult:

SMAC Academy

Petek