[BTS] News: BOTM 266: Tokagawu, Noble - First Spoiler to 1AD


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BOTM 266: Tokugawa, Noble - First Spoiler - 1AD

What did you pop from the first hut?
Use this thread to tell us what happened in your game, up to 1AD

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Settled on PH 1NE, unfortunately no food resources. Got 94 gold from the nearby hut, will help pay for early expansion, I can delay cottages in capital. Started with Mining-BW before Agriculture, built a mine on northeast plains hill, then stopped growth at size 2 (floodplains + mine) to focus on getting next two settlers with the help of chops. Settled Osaka on turn 31 to grab wheat and floodplains to the south and Tokyo on turn 41 (2240 BC) on wheat/cow/copper cluster to the west. That city will be a good settler/worker production center at size 3. At that point I also had Animal Husbandry and Pottery.

Saw the spot with stone in the southeast and the lack of happiness resources in my region, and thought it would be a good game for Pyramids. I was a bit worried about wonder dates when the AI has all ancient techs though. So I experimented and ran a custom game replicating the settings and all IND opponents with stone... Pyramids wasn't build until turn 90, seemed safe.

Teched Mysticism and Masonry, then Writing and Math. Settled stone city in 1480 BC and build pyramids in Tokyo with the help of a few chops by 1040 BC. Around 850 BC got Alphabet, settled a city for the NW fish (needs a monument) and one on north coast with river, floodplains, horse. Traded for Iron Working, Sailing, Polytheism. Had to fight some barb spears and axes at that point but I had axes so that was fine.

In 625 BC settled 7th city further NE on clams, got Currency and traded for Code of Laws. Started seeing more calendar resources in the eastern lands so went for Calendar before Civil Service. Civil Service in 425 BC. In the last 500 years of the BC I rapidly expanded east with 7 more cities, including some cities really close to Pericles. (Nagasaki took the spot between banana and sugar with jungle river tiles, initially lost part of its first ring to Corinth, but I chopped a library and it now stole back the sugar plantation and a cottage from Pericles.) Sitting at 14 cities, 43 population in 1AD.

After Civil Service I went towards Machinery (will get on 100 AD) since it unlocks samurai and is on the way to Astronomy. I also started the Great Lighthouse quite late as I was sure it was gone early, but it looks like I might get it in Tokyo unless it's sniped in the next 4 turns. Must not be a lot of wonder builders in that game. The three AIs on our landmass (Pericles, Suleiman and Sury) are pleased and the first two don't declare at pleased, so it feels safe. They all have feudalism, but low unit counts, so a force of samurai and catapults should be good for conquest. Suleiman's land is particularly interesting with the buddhist shrine.

It was tempting to run specialists with Pyramids, but growth and expansion are more important. I am only running a few scientists empire wide as you can see from the 22 beakers at 0%. Got only 1 GS which was used for an academy. Decided to go Civil Service so the Astro bulb is not possible anyway.

Empire screenshot in spoiler, forgot to take it in 1AD so it's 2 turns later, nothing substantially different in the picture though.

Spoiler :


Hi, I came back for a bit f CIV IV after 8 years. I´m really rusty, I thought on NOBLE I don´t have to put any effort, as it´ the easiest difficulty. (former emperor player)
This game is so addicting, even after the years

I made a lot of mistakes, lost 3 cities in total to barbarians. To regain territory and to block the Greeks really strained me economically and now I´m struggling and falling behind.
I´m deciding between immediate switch to cultural (after filling more cities, or somehow try to rush Pericles and then seal off.

I settled on FP 2N1E , took some wasted turns to explore two.
compared to @antimony overall a mess.... thanks for posting yours.
I also messed up the start... since I forgot everting I googled this obsolete guide about chopping 2w 2s first.... that didn´t work well.

but hell, this game is addicting, still unsurpassed, or is it? and thanks for still running these gotm

Spoiler :


I struggled to get going this game, feeling like expansion was slow and city locations were lacklustre. I did like the tech bonus given to the Noble AI which definitely sped things up.

After wasting some turns I settled on the forest grassland 2N. Got 37 gold from the hut. Decided to go skinny with tech early and beeline Alphabet, taking just Agriculture, Pottery and Writing before it.

Something odd happened in 3800 BC with Buddhism, Hinduism and Judaism all founded that year – must be something to do with goody huts? The AI tech rate seemed to hum along at a fair clip with Confucianism coming at 2160 BC (before I had Alphabet) and Taoism coming in 1050 BC.

I think my early Alphabet was a good plan because I picked up lots of tech in trades. The AI continued to keep up in research which provided decent value trading options. I was slow getting Civil Service (100 BC) because I was greedily waiting to try and trade for it.

Got my flood plain cottages going early and my second city made a GS for an academy in the capital to keep pushing the research.

By 1 AD I had a good cross section of tech with Civil Service, Music, Calendar, Monarchy, Theology, Currency, Construction.

For some reason I thought it was a good idea to use the GA from Music to culture bomb the jungle zone between Japan and Greece to effectively claim it all for myself. I didn’t get any cities up past the desert “neck” towards the Ottomans.

I wanted to stay in good relations so didn’t take a religion. No wars have broken out so far.

Have got 8 cities. Will clear a barb city soon and resettle to place my 9th. Just built the Hanging Gardens in Kyoto since I had stone and the extra health can help with the floodplains. Might get lucky with a future GE.

Plan is to go for Liberalism before hitting either Greeks/Ottomans with a military tech advantage to expand the empire. Both are my friends but I can’t see a better target, and it helps that they have juicy capitals.
@Jimmy Thunder , as the AI were gifted with the Ancient Era techs (Meditation, Polytheism and Monotheism), on turn 5 the respective religions were randomly assigned to three of them.
Yeah, sorry about the random factor... the only alternative is that mapmaker assigns all 7 religions from the start. So lesser of 2 evils, I hope. As my former sgotm team member used to say, the way to counter random events that can favor one player/team over another is to make even more random events so everything balances out with the law of statistics. I am not sure if this really applies here, but being alive means adjusting to whatever the universe throws at us. I hope you had fun because that's really what this whole competition is about. And yeah, the maker of Humbaba recognizes that mapmakers are fallible.:love:
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