News: GOTM71 Pre-Game Discussion

[Lanzelot]

This is going to be my first ever Deity game! Hope I don't get butchered...! I first wanted to play COTM40 instead, as I like C3C a bit better then PTW, but finishing it in two weeks is just completely impossible for me.

I'm still uncertain whether to settle on the spot or move. I think, if I try to turn the capital into a powerhouse (like in my GOTM70), then having it on the river will save the Aqueduct. But if I try the "Palace jump plan", that everybody here seems to be so fond of, then investing into the capital won't be necessary anyway, will it? The capital may be abandoned, before an Aqueduct becomes necessary, so in this case moving doesn't hurt much.

However, for a Palace jump you'll need to have conquered a good spot where you can jump to... And I doubt that I'll be capable of conquering anything early on against Deity opposition...! So I guess I rather use my capital as long-standing powerhouse, and then I want it to grow quickly, so I stay on the river. (Unless my scouts reveal something that makes me change my plan...)

Lanzelot

 

[PaperBeetle]

Checked my numbers, and settling in place is 43g ahead by turn 50 (including the fact that the granary is built later), earns 2g extra per settler thereafter, and builds the first scout/axe one turn earlier. But it is one turn behind in terms of the settler timetable. I'm undecided. And I still don't know where I'm getting Pots from...

 

[Più Freddo]

Settling in place gets more commerce, in part because the factory runs smaller, at 3.5 - 5.5 instead of 4.0 - 6.0

Why wouldn't you use exactly the same tiles for both factories?

I will move my scouts and then make the detailed spread-sheets.

 

[PaperBeetle]

Because when you settle in place, you can use both furs as 2f2s tiles. Moving 1NW means you can reach only one of them, so you need to run slightly larger to make up the extra shields (assuming you want to free the game up for another town).
I too will move my scout before the final decision on where to settle, but given the rough terrain around us, and the power of the tiles we see, it seems unlikely that we will see anything new that will make much difference.

 

[tao]

Checked my numbers, and settling in place is 43g ahead by turn 50 (including the fact that the granary is built later), from...

I will move my scouts and then make the detailed spread-sheets.

I know my opening will be played much weaker, but it will be played and not "spread-sheeted" .
I am never sure, whether I should appreciate the amount of planning some people spend on the game before starting.

PS: No pun intended!

 

[Megalou]

tao, I'm not sure what to think either, but we would all like to do our very best, wouldn't we? Read Più Freddo's spoiler for GOTM70 and tell me you wouldn't have liked to play that game yourself...

Più Freddo, was that a plural "s" I saw after "scout?"

 

[Più Freddo]

Più Freddo, was that a plural "s" I saw after "scout?"

Yes. I'm not at Deity player. I'm not comfortable with the amount of exploitation of game mechanics that is needed to survive the initial phases. I've simply too litte experience. I play no other Civ games than the G/COTM, and there I can usually only complete the one or the other each month. That's no way to reach Deity.

 

[PaperBeetle]

I know my opening will be played much weaker, but it will be played and not "spread-sheeted" .
I am never sure, whether I should appreciate the amount of planning some people spend on the game before starting.

PS: No pun intended!

Depends on your definition of play? I've already played the start of this game three or four times, and I haven't even downloaded the save yet. Of course, when I do it for real, my plans will have to change to take account of the stuff that I don't yet know about; this time last month, I had a highly detailed plan of how to get a 10-10-10-10-10-10 factory running, which got thrown out completely when I found the extra food bonus. So I started from scratch, planning how best to get a 4-turn factory. But that's okay, double the fun in a way. I do it because I enjoy the optimisation exercise, not because I expect an extra citizen and a couple of extra pennies will make a big difference in the results table.
And because just occasionally I manage to beat Più in the QSC.

 

[civ_steve]

I appreciate the spread-sheeting approach and the attempt to optimize (and the discussion, which makes the information more available), but I've rarely actually done such activities; just not enough time!

 

[Più Freddo]

I appreciate the spread-sheeting approach and the attempt to optimize (and the discussion, which makes the information more available)

My spread-sheet is available in all my QSC submissions. It originally comes from SirPleb. I know Paper Beetle uses his own and then there's Offa's sheet, which probably is the most sophisticated of them all.