I am also keen to know who the ninth civ is; though I'd like to make a point about these conventions, particually from the live stream on PAX East. It seemed like people were really interested in Borderlands 2 and Spec Ops at the conventions, followed by X-Com then Civ; however when you look at the 2k forum activity, there's normally only a handful of people viewing the non-Civ forums and a lot of people viewing the Civ V forums. Is it a case that certain games appeal to gamers who would go to these conventions whilst other games have a wider appeal, or have I got the wrong impression from what I saw on the live PAX East stream?