no one attacks me - it is boring!!

[steman]

I am back after some sleep ....

Ok, I agree with you all: I will play at noble with more AIs.

But: THAT still remains true: That the whole group often remains so friendly to each other... It seems they all want to improve their power so that they do not attack each other. This would mean a material loss for both parts. And I am still of the opinion that in earlier Civ version this was solved better. You also got really world wars and that for long / longer periods. This does NOT happen, at least not at the level I played. AND aggressive AI did NOT change this facts, only the mood .

But do someone of you have noticed a changed / an influence by using a mod?

 

[Crazygaijin]

I would try not to make any judgements about the game until you start playing at least Emperor level. The jump in difficulty between Monarch and Emperor is considerable. I would say the game really begins at that level and anything Monarch or lower is just practice to see how the game operates. Once you get a handle on that, Emperor is the way to go. You can't even test your strategies on lower levels because the game totally changes.
Also, about the World War thing, try reading the World War article in the War Academy on this site. It has a lot to say about how to manipulate the AI's into attacking each other.

 

[G Julius Caesar]

@ Steman

You will surely find at least on noble that in a lot more games you will have war declared on you. If it doesn't happen, either your copy is bugged, or you are playing really peacefully.

To play peacefully, you could, for example, get on with your neighbours through gifting techs, money or resources, or conceeding to their demands. You may also share religions or civics. This will make the other Civs have a good opinion of you and so are less likely to declare war on you.

Therefore, dont play peacefully. Nark them off - dont trade, dont have the same civics, get a different religion, get your borders up close to theirs. Although they will be more difficult to deal with under diplomacy, they will be more likely to start a war on you. It makes sense - you are less likely to make war on someone you like.

If you want war and still use diplomacy in the game, adopt triangle diplomacy ie select two other Civs to get on with - keep them sweet, but really dont bother with anyone else. Its really good when there are groups of civ who will gang up on the others and start a war.

I usually find on my games on Noble, I have to adjust things (usually civics or spread a religion) just so my neighbours wont fight me too early on. Of course, when I'm ready, that all goes out the window when I begin the war.

 

[steman]

@ Steman

You will surely find at least on noble that in a lot more games you will have war declared on you. If it doesn't happen, either your copy is bugged, or you are playing really peacefully.

To play peacefully, you could, for example, get on with your neighbours through gifting techs, money or resources, or conceeding to their demands. You may also share religions or civics. This will make the other Civs have a good opinion of you and so are less likely to declare war on you.

Therefore, dont play peacefully. Nark them off - dont trade, dont have the same civics, get a different religion, get your borders up close to theirs. Although they will be more difficult to deal with under diplomacy, they will be more likely to start a war on you. It makes sense - you are less likely to make war on someone you like.

If you want war and still use diplomacy in the game, adopt triangle diplomacy ie select two other Civs to get on with - keep them sweet, but really dont bother with anyone else. Its really good when there are groups of civ who will gang up on the others and start a war.

I usually find on my games on Noble, I have to adjust things (usually civics or spread a religion) just so my neighbours wont fight me too early on. Of course, when I'm ready, that all goes out the window when I begin the war.

Yes, you are right. I always played more peacefully. Thanks to you for the good hints (especially that with the diplomace triangle) and all the one's who responded to my call. I think I will have more fun from now on playing Civ4!

 

[Moonsinger]

why does no one ever attacke me?
I play as warlord, I am number one in the score list and till 1860 no one attacks me. So the games is only about producing, producing, producing...
It really get's boring with the time.

So, how do I change this situation? I want some action in this game!! What am I making false? Any suggesstions?? Thanks!!

If you want war, it's easy. Declare it!

 

[anima36]

the AI aggression is mainly based on difficulty level play on monarch and there will always be a war somewhere on earth 18 civs with each side regularly asking for your help in their struggle, i always try to split the world in two then have a massive world war where i am in a postion to profit most.

 

[PraetorianSteve]

But I noticed weirdness on the map there. Izzy had just one city (Madrid), but had spread her buddhism to EVERY SINGLE CIV, including the asian and african civs. They were all best friends.

That is probably the problem with my game: Having the same religion keeps them from really warring with one another, at least within their religion. Question whether the religious bonuses are overpowered, maybe they should not apply to the AI or be halved, as History has many instances of people fighting one another in spite of a shared religion.

 

[weasel77066]

I fall into that myself. get into a builder mode and before I realize, Im friendly with people and the rest are too intimidated to war with me. I usually have to snap out of it, and pick a fight myself..

 

[The Navy Seal]

Put on agressive Ai.

 

[Boom22]

I've only been attacked twice by an AI. Once by China for,no reason, those poor chinese slaves... I mean um... paid workers, yeah, sure. And by Louis of France. (Iroincally, I was Germany )

 

[Spartan117]

there are some mods, that increase ai desire to go to war.

but if not interested in taht, then simply put agrrsessive ai on. THat does make a big difference. You cant please everybody.

 

[Antilogic]

That is probably the problem with my game: Having the same religion keeps them from really warring with one another, at least within their religion. Question whether the religious bonuses are overpowered, maybe they should not apply to the AI or be halved, as History has many instances of people fighting one another in spite of a shared religion.

Several AI's, including but not limited to Alexander, Montezuma, Ragnar, and Shaka have all attacked me despite having great relations and having a shared religion (literally, we were around +6 to +10). Trust me, certain AIs will pick a fight with you despite having a shared religion, and some will not.

I've noticed that Isabella only attacks me when we don't share the same religion, but she will be peaceful if we do. Just another side note...

 

[The Navy Seal]

Your probable just playing on settler turn up the level or get Warlords if you don't already.

 

[NKVD]

go to the trade screen...ask for incredible amounts of money for tribute. Click 10 times on ''we demand that you give us this in tribute'' and watch your relation drop by -1 each time you click. In seconds you'll pass he'll pass from pleased to furious... hihihi

 

[Oddible]

I don't get it. I don't have this problem at all. I play mostly on Prince now and I haven't had a peaceful game in many, many games. Not just war against me, but wars between the AI as well and this is without mods or increased aggression. I think that there is a lot of variety in the way this AI plays and reacts to the other players. Sometimes I'll have a few games in a row that are mostly builder games, then I'll have a bunch of warring games.

For sure, if you are the score leader, there will be apprehension to attack you, especially if the AI can't muster an alliance. Increase your difficulty level. Once you increase your level, you won't be able to get away with being everyone's friend any more. You'll have to start picking sides. Looking at who likes and dislikes whom and making alliances. Agreed, winning every game and always being on top of the score list is very boring.

Also, maybe its because I usually do an axemen rush early in the game against my closest AI, I get a LOT of aggression pretty early.

 

[manwiththehands]

I agree, it's got to be the level of difficulty.

It's a pity that you have been playing Civ since the first edition and can still only manage Warlord as a challenge. Don't you find it too easy???

The complexities to the game unravel as you trudge deeper into the higher difficulties.

Lighten up. Geez. Some of us have been playing CIV for years but still playing on lower levels. It all depends on what you want to do and learn about the game. Any "fanatic" can become an "expert" playing deity level if all you do is master one stategy with one favorite leader.

I like to play big maps with a random leader. My last game (yesterday) was on warlord level. I was Mansa Musa and I had Monty, Izzy, Alex, Toku to name a few on a big pangea map with me. It was boring and I managed to avoid war until about 1900 Then Alex jumped my butt. Then Mao joined him. I was getting nervous building military with my cultural cities to fight a war on two fronts. However, I still won a cultural victory in the middle of a war while Washington was getting ever closer to building his space ship. That's never happened and it was fun and challenging.

Some of us play any game we can just to win any type of game thrown our way.

 

[marioflag]

One thing that i just don't understand is why waiting that other civs attack you? If you are bored that you are not in war with anyone why just don't declare war on someone?

 

[T.A JONES]

One thing that i just don't understand is why waiting that other civs attack you? If you are bored that you are not in war with anyone why just don't declare war on someone?

I think he means that unlike Civ3, things are much less tense. cake walks are occuring all to frequently when it comes to battles (wars)you have no control of, more or less, thats the idea Im getting.
Now Im saying without having to resort to higher levels were AI is given Cheesy advantages Remember . Im used to the superior program, (CIv3) where one wrong move , or no good reason at all, and your hands were blood soaked with the literally hundreds of lives, be it your units or allies and enemys, and all when you were trying to 'just get along'

In this model it seems you can just click away at Diplomacy windows and apease them without giving much thought. Theres no reason to be scared of AI coming to give you a Ass whooping for no apparent reason like in Civ3 Conquests or especially topped ala mod (the ultimate Strategy game)

 

[The Navy Seal]

NKVD The only problem with that is if your playing Settler the Ai won't even attack if you have -20 with them i've tried to get an Ai to declar war that way playing on Set.
T.A JONES One time on PTW the Zulu declared war on me and I had Modern Armour and they only had cavalry! Once again showing how stupid the Ai is.

 

[Antilogic]

I'm a bit confused by TA Jones's argument. I firmly believe the AI is more intelligent in Civ4 than it was in Civ3. The most clear example I have is the AI's proper use of artillery for sieging cities in Civ4, which was a little lacking in Civ3.

And I'm quite afraid of the AI just showing up to kick my ass. Try playing a small pangaea map next to Alexander, Montezuma, and Shaka. It's a trifecta from hell, and I assure you that appeasement only works so far with those guys. They love a good fight.

The distinct AI personalities in Civ4 definitely shine through more than in Civ3, I think...there are more "builder" types of personalities, more "religious" ones that spread religion aggressively, and more "warmonger" ones that fight 24/7 (or at least try to). I really felt that just about every Civ3 AI player was close to the same...some minute differences, but mostly the same. That hasn't occurred in Civ4 yet.