Nobody's Constitution

ravensfire said:
For the length of turns, we're playing with significantly fewer cities than in the past.

Let's explicitly state that game sessions can last for up to 20 turn, and can be ended by a direct instruction to do so at a certain point by a leader.

-- Ravensfire

Yes, that's a factor which might shorten game play sessions. I'm just against putting any of these limits in the constitution, where if we run into exceptions it becomes too hard to adjust. (That's funny, are our positions reversed on this one? :crazyeye: )

If we do keep the 3 day TCIT rule then have an exception for short sessions for a well-defined purpose. I conducted several 0-turn chats in term 1 last game which were declared illegal after the fact by JRs which said the TCIT would have needed to be open 3 days. We need to be able to end a session, discuss for a day, see an obvious trade, do the trade, and then discuss some more before the next real game session.
 
It seems like setting the TCIT times as a hard rule will almost inevitably cause some sort of trouble, because the thread will be posted several seconds too late, because someone forgot to clearly define the circumstances of a 0-turn chat, etc.

I'm with DS on this one - let's leave that requirement at something like 'a reasonable amount of time prior to the turnchat' at the MAIN LEADER's (I couldn't help calling it that :D) discresion. Then again, maybe I just put too much faith in humanity's common sense...
 
And, on the local government section, nobody, I'd like to make a suggestion.

Since we'll be working with a smaller number of cities, I'm thinking that we could possibly get more people involved on the local level. I'd simply add a sentence, that 'Mayors may organize civic government for their individual cities as they see fit.' I think we could open some roleplay avenues if mayors had a free hand in their internal organization - one could declare himself a king and appoint royal advisors, another mayor could organize a republic and elections for a Senate or something.

It may be interesting, or it may fail spectacularly. But, it definetly won't harm anyone if such systems don't work out.
 
Local governments make a huge amount of sense in this environment, especially if we play Greece like many people seem to want. After all, Greece was a loose confederation of city-states, wasn't it? :cool:
 
Another twist on local government:
Perhaps give local government (partial?) control of workers on its tiles? Of ccourse there would need to be some centralization for roading the cities and such, but it could create more things for a government of one city to do.
 
Starting a countdown:

Nominations are on the 23rd. Subtract 4 days for ratification means the poll needs to go up by the 19th, make it the 18th to handle any SNAFU which might come up. That means if anyone has significant comments they'd better be made soon. :hammer:
 
@Nobody: please combine Science and Economic leader. i think we could benefit from less positions and tech would have basically no job, accept saying what tech to research. IMO combining the 2 will give the ECO/SCI power over enough to make a difference.
 
ok i will put the eco and sci together, i just thought tha it might be to much for one person. i will put these changes in soon, for people to comment on. also everyone please note that laws about polls and stuff need to happen fast after a constitution is made.

SO: combine sci and eco, make local goverment better, and say who gets sliders, i will do this in a mo, but i got to read harry potter as well
 
i updated it to add things you people requested. I didnt change the turn chat time, as i didnt know what was a popular change. anything else please tell me so i can modify it. I will post it tomorrow morning my time when i get up. I intend to make it a private poll lasting 3 days with the question "do you ratify this constutituon into law, yes no abstain" i am telling you this so you can yell and tell me how to do it better before i do it .
 
Nobody said:
i updated it to add things you people requested. I didnt change the turn chat time, as i didnt know what was a popular change. anything else please tell me so i can modify it. I will post it tomorrow morning my time when i get up. I intend to make it a private poll lasting 3 days with the question "do you ratify this constutituon into law, yes no abstain" i am telling you this so you can yell and tell me how to do it better before i do it .

It needs to be public and lasting 4 days. Please state that a simple majority is sufficient to ratify.
 
Anybody up for getting rid of "the will of the people" and letting the elected leaders lead?
 
Anybody up for getting rid of "the will of the people" and letting the elected leaders lead?

im not, it is important that the citizens control the game, you will see this theme through out it.
 
I'd like to see that happen, actually. 'The Will of the People' is such an enigmatic thing that can constantly change from one poll and discussion to the next. Long term planning by the strategic arm of government during this game, for example, may have been far more sucessful if one leader had gotten into office and stuck to his plans through thick and thin. Maybe it's also too much to hope for, but without that WotP requirement, elections might actually become more than popularity contests.

If you still wanted leaders to be subject to the people, a recall mechanism might do nicely. For one, we would instantly rid ourselves of Citizen Complaints involving a certain leader's inability to follow the will of the people...

And, of course, it would mean that one of my constantly reused campaign platforms would actually be useful. :p
 
Octavian X said:
I'd like to see that happen, actually. 'The Will of the People' is such an enigmatic thing that can constantly change from one poll and discussion to the next. Long term planning by the strategic arm of government during this game, for example, may have been far more sucessful if one leader had gotten into office and stuck to his plans through thick and thin. Maybe it's also too much to hope for, but without that WotP requirement, elections might actually become more than popularity contests.

If you still wanted leaders to be subject to the people, a recall mechanism might do nicely. For one, we would instantly rid ourselves of Citizen Complaints involving a certain leader's inability to follow the will of the people...

And, of course, it would mean that one of my constantly reused campaign platforms would actually be useful. :p
I agree, make the WOTP shown in elections...
 
zorven said:
Anybody up for getting rid of "the will of the people" and letting the elected leaders lead?
I agree entirely, though I will be on vacation for a week but I would like to state my support for this
 
I'll support this. This should allow leaders to basically lay out an agenda of what they'll do in elections and then citizens will leave them alone for minor/long term decisions. However, i still think major decisions should be polled. Also, if citizens are upset about something then they could put up a poll to "veto" a decison made by a leader. Otherwise WOTP will be out the window.
 
okay, I will repeat my list from the poll, boldthings, must be fixed, while italicized things are in my opinion or not as important
1. I thought you removed the WOTP?
2. Numerour spelling, punctuation, and grammar mistakes
3. It should have been polled Article by Article IMO
4. According to this, captured cities will be governed by an "appropriate" minister, I guess this implies the Domestic Minister, but I am not sure...
5. There is nothing stopping of us from building more than 5 cities
6. City Naming isn't mentioned
7. It doesn't say how deputies are appointed, IE runner up or officials choice
8. No basic polling standards anywhere
9. IMO 2 days isn't enough between TC sessions, make TCs longer but more spaced out
10. I don't want the president to be DP
11. Confirmation polls are referenced to, but not defined
12. The DPs selection of Turn Chat time/type shouldn't be subject to confirmation poll
13. Appointment poll referenced to, but not defined
14. Any citizen can demand a leader to supply more info, hmmmm so it doesn't matter if an official has posted everything about the game, more can still be demanded... this should be more specific
15. DOMESTIC LEADER should be responsible for settling...

Lets see, # 5,6,8,11,13,14 can be easily defined in a CoL
 
Code of Laws
Code:
A.  Citizen Rights
    1.  Naming Rights
      a.  City Names
         [s] All cities founded by Fanatannia will be named by citizens
          using a rank-based system.  The President will maintain 
          this list in a thread.  Should a citizen fail to provide a 
          city name, they will be skipped until they provide a city 
          name.  The Director of Expansion will include the city name 
          to be used in the instructions to found that city.  No 
          citizen may name more than one city until all citizens 
          have named a city.       
          1.  Ranking Order - elected officials
              The rank order is based on the term and the Chain of 
              Command.  All officials of an earlier term have priority
              over officials of a later term.  Within a term, the 
              Chain of Command will determine who has priority.  
          2.  Ranking Order - citizens
              Once all elected officials have named cities, the 
              Citizen Regsitry will be used to name cities, using the 
              order citizens were registered.[/s]
            [i]All cities founded by ________ will be named.  The name of a city 
            shall be decided by a poll, all citizens may submit names to the 
            DOMESTIC  LEADER, and he/she will poll the submitted names.[/i] 
           
      b.  Province Names
          The first Governor of a province will name the province.
      
     [s] c.  Unit Names
          The Commander of Armed Forces will utilize the unit naming 
          preferences within the Citizen Registry thread to rename all 
          military units.  [/s]
                     
      [b]c.[/b]  Natural Feature Names
          All natural features within a province may be named by the 
          Governor of the province.

    2.  Confirmation Polls
        a.  Confirmation polls are used in certain, specified 
            situations to challenge the decision of an elected official.
            Confirmation polls may be used only when explicitly allowed 
            by law.  Any citizen may create a confirmation poll, should 
            one not already exist.  This poll must be created within 24 
            hours of the appointment or decision, and ask the question 
            "Do you approve of the <description of decision>?", with 
            Yes, No and Abstain option.  If the confirmation poll 
            directly concerns a citizen (e.g. appointment), this poll 
            is to be private, as it is a form of an election.  The poll
            will run for 2 days. At the end of the time, if a majority 
            of the citizens vote "No", the decision is overturned. Any 
            other result approves the decision.

H.  Elections, Deputies and Vacancies
    1.  Nominations and Debate
        a.  Nominations will be created by the Election Office 7 days 
            prior to the end of the month.  Citizens may nominate 
            themself or another citizen in this thread.  Citizens may 
            also post pre-nominations in the Election Office thread if 
            they will not be present during the nomination period.  
            This nomination thread should contain a description of the 
            office.
        b.  All debates will be within the nomination thread, and will
            continue through the end of the election cycle.  Any citizen 
            may post questions for the candidates to answer.  Candidates 
            may answer or not answer as they wish.
        c.  A nomination is not considered Accepted until the candidate 
            makes an explicit post.  All self-nominations are considered 
            Accepted unless otherwise stated.
            
    2.  Election Polls
        a.  Election polls will be created by the Election Office 3 
            days after the Nomination threads are created.  These polls 
            will contain the names of all Accepted candidates for the 
            office, a description of the office, a link to the 
            nomination thread, be set to run for 3 days and be marked 
            private.
        b.  Should a citizen Accept multiple nominations, and does not
            explicitly clarify which office they wish to run for, the 
            Election Office will use the first office they Accepted.
        c.  The citizen with the most votes at the close of the poll 
            is the winner of the election.  Should two or more 
            candidates tie at the end of the election poll with the 
            same number of votes, a runoff election of two days 
            duration will be conducted with the tied candidates only. 
            This process shall continue until one candidate receives 
            the most votes.
            
    3.  General
        a.  The Election Cycle will run from the first nomination thread 
            is opened until the last runoff poll closes.
        b.  All threads and polls should be posted at approximately 00:00 
            GMT on the correct day.

    4.  Deputies
        a.  For all positions with deputies, the leader may appoint the 
            citizen of their choice as their deputy.
    
    5.  Vacant Offices
        a.  An official or Justice may declare themselves to be 
            Absent for a period of time. This period may not exceed 1 
            week.  During this time, the deputy or pro-tem will act 
            with all power and duties of that office, surrendering 
            them to the official or Justice when they return or at 
            the end of the planned absence, whichever comes first.
            
        b.  Should an official fail to post in the DG forum for 3
            days in a thread related to their area without prior 
            notice, the Judiciary may declare that office Vacant.

        c.  If a Justice has not posted on any active Judicial matter 
            for three days, the remaining Justices may declare the 
            Justice Vacant.  If all three Justices fail to post on 
            any active Judicial matter for 3 days, the President may 
            declare all Judicial offices Vacant, and immediately 
            appoint a new Chief Justice.

I.  Polling Standards
    1.  Any poll posted by an official of the Democracy game is considered 
        official and binding, unless otherwise stated. 
        
    2.  All polls must simply and clearly state the question and all 
        options in a neutral manner, and contain an abstain option. 
        
    3.  A poll should state the objectives of the poll and the time 
        limit (if any) of the poll. 
        
    4.  A poll must also contain all releveant information, including 
        links to the respective ministry thread, discussion, and other 
        polls.
    
    5.  All official polls will be public unless they deal with 
        specific citizens.  Those polls must be private.

Pretty muchly the same as this time, except city naming is changed and unit naming removed

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I do agree with removing the unit naming and should be purely optional within the department.
 
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