One hell of a complain about Civilizations.

[Galucard]

You guessed right in every way =d
Germany's power does not seem very appeal, but since u said it i might try them out
About the dictators, i agree that maybe its just me being a big fan of theirs (not what they did, but who they were, do not get me wrong)
About China it is just my lack of knowledge speaking, might research a lil bit more about Wu Zetian Tho.
About Babylon, maybe nabuchednezzar is a better choice but their power is still out of place.
About the Americans, maybe their power is good, but still underpowered, they need at least an unique building related to production, and in my humble oppinion planes are also broken in the game so it would be a nice replacement, at least on deity its hard to even see a plane in the game.

Thanks for the feedback

 

[0R4NG3]

On Russia:
Catherine is a good choice. Gorbachyov is certainly an important figure in Russian history, but it is still too early to judge his actions, maybe in 20-30 years time in Civ XV he can be a leader for Russia (but I think even then I would prefer Catherine).
As for the culture - I think here Firaxis wanted to emphasise Russian expansion into and colonisation of Siberia, and the only way to simulate this in CiV is through culture. But also if Dostoyevskiy, Tolstoy, Chaykovskiy, Rimsky-Korsakov, and Rakhmaninov (just to name a few) isn't culture then I don't know what is.

 

[bryanw1995]

don't know much about mussolini, but I think that it's very hard to include hitler in a list of "great" leaders. From a purely german point of view, he sucked as a leader. He consistently ignored sound military advice and was almost single-handedly responsible for turning his country into stalin/eisenhower's playground. the only he was really good at was killing his own people, not the other guy's. going by sheer number of people killed stalin was much worse. however, he actually won his war and laid the groundwork for his country to become a true world power for the first time, so he could at least be considered on that basis imho.

 

[JLoZeppeli]

Actually, Greece's formal name (still used in diplomacy, at the United Nations, and such) is still 'the Hellenic Republic.'
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Oh that's the wrongest and worst chiche for sure... The Hellenistic Republic...

 

[Sync]

I've been under the impression that the Unique Abilities were connected to civs rather than the leaders. You might think it's a moot point because right now there's only one leader per civ (you always play as Napoleon of France, for example), but should Louis XIV be added later it'd make a lot more sense.

Maybe I'm being too optimistic, but I think this way gives the developers (or modders) room to add more leaders to civs at a later date. Making the UA appropriate leaders would not.

 

[Haig]

I actually just made a topic about the Unique Abilites, or how they should have done it like in CivRev, meaning that instead of just one UA every nation would get different bonuses over time:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=395537

I think the current UAs don't really give THAT much variety to different civs.

 

[Namaspamus]

-FRANCE - Napoleon : This one really i cannot understand. First: what has Napoleon to do with Áncien Regimé ?

The absolutism to what that refers ended with the French revolution, led by Maximilian Robespierre, wich by the way ended just a couple of years before Napoleon get to try and dominate Europe when Louis XVI lost his head, true, France is the Symbol of the Absolutism, but not Napoleon by any means, so France's Leader with that civ power should be Louis XIV (The day starts in France when I rise, and not when the sun appears) and also NO ONE can associate Absolutism to culture so France is completelly out of place and Firaxis made a hell of a mix of things that do not get along.

Keeping in mind that France is also the world's center of culture. My sugestion would be a Combat bonus due to Napoleon being their actual leader and a UB replacing Foreign Legion, wich could early on the game give a %Culture to a city, wich would end up giving a nice advantage to France's Culture, to Keep their bonus, the leader should be Louis XIV and the bonus for Áncien Regimé should be something related to Aristocracy.

It's true the name "Ancien Régime" is wrong for the culture bonus wich means: "more new regimes", and with Napoleon. But this bonus is great for France, it is the one that fits the most with its civ in all the game, with Iroquois. So I would change the name but leave the ability.

 

[joyous_gard]

I've been under the impression that the Unique Abilities were connected to civs rather than the leaders. You might think it's a moot point because right now there's only one leader per civ (you always play as Napoleon of France, for example), but should Louis XIV be added later it'd make a lot more sense.

Maybe I'm being too optimistic, but I think this way gives the developers (or modders) room to add more leaders to civs at a later date. Making the UA appropriate leaders would not.

That's what I thought too.

To OP: Hitler was a tool. He ruined his country. They had less land and were split in two when his reign ended. He had to commit suicide in a hole in the ground. He wasn't a good leader. His personal wartime decisions on the eastern front were the beginning of the end for his "empire." During Hitler's reign, Germany built itself up to get beat down and that's exactly what happened. If Russia today was called Germany, then you would have an argument.

Mussolini is a serious laugh. Is that a joke? Did the Italians win any battles when Mussolini was in charge? They were basically just invaded. Italy's history in World War II was that it was invaded. They couldn't even hold their own country. Did they beat some Third World nations before being invaded by the allies? All Italy did was lose ground. The entire war was just losing ground for Italy and you want to put Mussolini in the game? Can you imagine being a leader that declares war, and then just loses outright? If he had just stayed neutral, things would have been better for him. He ended up hanging from a meathook. His nation today is like a third world nation. It's a nation of unemployeds. Slowly decaying. They are good at soccer though. Oh yeah, he "invented" fascism. That worked out well.

Stalin at least there is argument. He was d-bag but he maintained power, won a war, conquered other nations, and maintained control. The structure he put in place enabled the Soviet Union to maintain it's place near the top until the 80s.

I'd put Luis Ignacio De Silva, or whatever your president's name is, in before those other dudes.

 

[Galucard]

Namaspamus : Ancién Regimé its the way its written ingame

0R4NG3 : Speaking of Russia in overall, maybe it had some influence in eastern culture, but as the western I am, i dont know anything about it at all.

Sync : Agree but i really think they made quite a mix of things, and i dont think you are being too optimistic, in Civopedia when you go into the civilizations part there is enough room for 3 leaders slots in each civ, and rather than just a different personality, i would preffer UB UU and Unique powers for each leader, rather than civs.

bryanw1995 : True, but because of its late unification there is not really a "Great Italian Leader" the closest ones i can find for that are the Roman leaders, it might be my lack of knowledge again tho, well there is always the first leader after the unification anyway.

joyous guard : About Mussolini I already answered, I see you agree about Stalin, and Hitler is just someone you cannot tell he was a bad leader, i dunno if u are jew or anything to not like it, but he moved a whole country for a purpose and before he entered in a lust for power he recovered the destroyed germany from WW1 wich could never recover again if respecting the International treaty it should. About my country's president, i just laughed at you for saying that, even though i do not like him, the man was invited to the United Nations, he mannaged to negotiate with God and the Devil alike, Mahmoud ahmadinejad is a friend of the brasilians (dare you to try and speak to that man). In some diplomatic resolutions Brasil is called to solve it, so here it is your lack of knowledge if that was some kind of mocking over him and having that in mind hold your tongue. If not, then accept my appologies and ignore this

 

[0R4NG3]

0R4NG3 : Speaking of Russia in overall, maybe it had some influence in eastern culture, but as the western I am, i dont know anything about it at all.

So you don't know who Chaykovskiy and Dostoyevskiy are?
Just out of curiosity: where are you from?

 

[Haig]

That's what I thought too.


Mussolini is a serious laugh. Is that a joke? Did the Italians win any battles when Mussolini was in charge? They were basically just invaded. Italy's history in World War II was that it was invaded. They couldn't even hold their own country. Did they beat some Third World nations before being invaded by the allies? All Italy did was lose ground. The entire war was just losing ground for Italy and you want to put Mussolini in the game? Can you imagine being a leader that declares war, and then just loses outright? If he had just stayed neutral, things would have been better for him. He ended up hanging from a meathook. His nation today is like a third world nation. It's a nation of unemployeds. Slowly decaying. They are good at soccer though. Oh yeah, he "invented" fascism. That worked out well.

Did you know that Mussolini's Italy is only nation that I know that has lost to spearmen with.. TANKS!

It was during the first Italian-Ethiopian war, where Italian tanks were ambushed with tribesmen who simply pushed the light italian tanks over with bare hands and lighted them to flames, and when italian crewmen crawled out of the burning tanks they cut off their heads with scimitars..

 

[Licinia Eudoxia]

Oh that's the wrongest and worst chiche for sure... The Hellenistic Republic...

You might want to let them know that then, since they're still calling themselves Ελληνική Δημοκρατία or Ellīnikī́ Dīmokratía (Hellenic Republic) at official functions. In Greek, they're actually 'Ellás.'

 

[Licinia Eudoxia]

Did you know that Mussolini's Italy is only nation that I know that has lost to spearmen with.. TANKS!

It was during the first Italian-Ethiopian war, where Italian tanks were ambushed with tribesmen who simply pushed the light italian tanks over with bare hands and lighted them to flames, and when italian crewmen crawled out of the burning tanks they cut off their heads with scimitars..

Italy's North African war under Mussolini is basically one of the most hilariously inept military conflicts.

There was a leader of Norway or Sweden or Denmark (I can't remember which!) who at some point decided to invade 'east' and the army fell apart and disbanded without ever meeting an enemy, so that might have been worse, but I can't remember the name or the specifics.

 

[Galucard]

Looks like people hate Mussolini, and yes i know that speaking about military he sucked hard and had his ass saved 2 or 3 times by Hitler. I will paste what i posted about him on the first post, ppl cant blame u for not reading the other posts can i ^^

0R4NG3 : I'm from Brasil, and even though i have heard about both, no I dont have any further knowledge of them.

 

[lschnarch]

I've been under the impression that the Unique Abilities were connected to civs rather than the leaders. You might think it's a moot point because right now there's only one leader per civ (you always play as Napoleon of France, for example), but should Louis XIV be added later it'd make a lot more sense.

Maybe I'm being too optimistic, but I think this way gives the developers (or modders) room to add more leaders to civs at a later date. Making the UA appropriate leaders would not.

But what is the point of having an additional leader when the specifics stay the same?

 

[Licinia Eudoxia]

From the way it's displayed on the screens, the Unique Ability definitely LOOKS like it's tied to the leader, but yeah, from the way the code works right now, there's only one leader per civ. To create a new leader, you just create a new Civ and clone the old one, then replace the leader.

This may change, but either way, I think Unique Abilities should be tied to leaders.

 

[Gunship_Down]

OTOMMANS - Suleiman : The nation who destroyed the most important city of ancient times gets a nice civ power do they not,

Lolwhat? Constantinople was already a shell of a city by the time the Latin Crusaders got done sacking the city. It was the Europeans who wrecked the Byzantine empire, not the Turks.

Besides, they didn't destroy anything, just renamed the thing and took up residence. Even restored the Hagia Sophia to beyond it's former glory.

Don't say these things if you have no knowledge of history.

 

[Galucard]

LOL you clearly have no knowledge of the siege, and yes, i know it was ransacked, rebuilt, and also that If the apostolic church had sent their reinforcements they would have won, so do not speak that kind of things just to make a name.

 

[JLoZeppeli]

You might want to let them know that then, since they're still calling themselves Ελληνική Δημοκρατία or Ellīnikī́ Dīmokratía (Hellenic Republic) at official functions. In Greek, they're actually 'Ellás.'

They who????

Are you speaking of modern Greece (that is a Republic, and Elleniki means greek if you don't know)????

We are speaking of the Alexander period, so we can't call Greece an Hellenistic Republic, if you have studied some history....

To be fair, the subjugation of Greece was made by Philip, Alexander's father, but as history say, at least greek city-states formed alliances: Beotic League, Acheian League, etc... Don't worry, there are a lot of Ancient greek history out there...

Italy's North African war under Mussolini is basically one of the most hilariously inept military conflicts.

Again you need to study history better, Italy was in shortage of supplies, but manages to defend the territory against overhelming forces. In the battle of El Alamain they showed how an army without logistic coverage could stand in front of an enemy with tanks...

For reference read Liddell Hart...

Please don't try to show knowledge that you cleary lack... Because every one with a bit of studies in this field can overthrow what are you saying.... It's an advice, take it with no offence...

 

[Licinia Eudoxia]

They who????

Are you speaking of modern Greece (that is a Republic, and Elleniki means greek if you don't know)????

We are speaking of the Alexander period, so we can't call Greece an Hellenistic Republic, if you have studied some history....

To be fair, the subjugation of Greece was made by Philip, Alexander's father, but as history say, at least greek city-states formed alliances: Beotic League, Acheian League, etc... Don't worry, there are a lot of Ancient greek history out there...

I'm not sure if it's a language thing, but this is like the fifth thread where you've been very condescending and smarmy towards me.

I have studied some history. A lot of history. 'Greece' did not call itself Greece. Elleniki does not mean 'Greek.' It means Hellenic.

Greece is derived from the Latin (the Roman) word for the region. In the 'Alexander period' as you called it, it was called Ἑλλάς, or Hellas. In Modern Greek, it is still Ellas.