I just browsed for a thread I created a couple of weeks ago asking for people's opinion on Civ5. At the time I got a couple of replies, I repled to those saying I'd try the demo, and left it at that. Now I came back to post there again but unfortunately it's been closed after 13 pages of...(I have no kind word for it)... I'm reall sorry that the thread developed that way and I had no idea the issue was going to be that contentious. It's just a game after all. I wouldn't like to see you guys trying to debate something that is actually important Anyway, in page 4 SuperJay said; Well to answer that (although I don't see it in terms of who won or lost), I tried the demo. It crashed twice, but that alone wouldn't have killed it for me, though my PC has been stable on every other game and application I run. However I have to say the game itself was a bit underwhelming. It simply lacks what made me get into the other Civs, the constant attention to detail that optimises your bigger plan as you play, and which made me want to play one more turn, then one more turn, then just one more, and realise I'd been playing for 4 hours. On the plus side I liked the hex 'board'. For me the effect of the demo was to run off to take the dust off my copy of Civ4, which I did. On my wish list, maybe they could somehow split the series into a more 'console' style faster simpler game for people who prefer that, and a more Civ4-style game, but incorporating updated graphics and hex instead of squares.