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Optimal first build in capital?

Discussion in 'Civ4 - Strategy & Tips' started by Ulysses31, Jan 29, 2010.

  1. Ulysses31

    Ulysses31 Chieftain

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    Hi, long-time lurker in need of some advice here...

    Apologies if this has been covered a hundred times already, but I can't seem to find a definitive answer: when not next to a seafood resource, is it better to build a warrior or a worker first in your capital? I used to think that building a worker while your city was still size 1 was a mistake, and would build warriors 'till the pop grew, but from reading various threads here I see that many better players than I start with a worker straight off the bat. I always thought that the worker would be built quicker if I let the city grow first - more food/hammers to build it with - but am I grossly mistaken?

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  2. OJimiJam

    OJimiJam Warlord

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    worker first is nearly always best (and even when it isnt best its not that bad). Even when theres a say a clam and an irrigated corn worker first is better than a work boat. Workers are only built with excess food (above what your citizens eat) and normal hammers - in the early game with no improved tiles spending time to grow into a tile that will only provide 1-2 effective hammers is not worth it at all.
     
  3. TheMeInTeam

    TheMeInTeam Top Logic

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    Worker first almost always wins when doing so does not mean you lose your capitol.
     
  4. obsolete

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    LOL!! No. You either wait 15 turns for your worker to complete, or you wait over half that time just to grow to pop of 2, and then you start your worker starting from 0 hammers. How do you expect the wait tactic to catch up to the guy who has an 8-turn head start there?
     
  5. Romanichine

    Romanichine Samurai

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    Worker first is better. The city will grow faster after your worker develops the food tiles.

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  6. Ulysses31

    Ulysses31 Chieftain

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    Wow, quick and completely unanimous responses, that's great, thanks. I've been playing this game in one form or another for nearly twenty years now and I'm still making newbie mistakes it would seem.
     
  7. OJimiJam

    OJimiJam Warlord

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    thats why they invented the forums :) id imagine that a great many players here owe whatever skill they have in no small part to these boards - i know this applies to me at least
     
  8. Fleme

    Fleme Obey the Kitty!

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    Worker. There shouldn't even be a discussion.
     
  9. vicawoo

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    The only time when warrior to 2 is better economically is when you have an unimprovable 3 food resource, and you won't have worker techs for awhile.
     
  10. Indiansmoke

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    It is not that big difference. If you grow size 2 and slave worker then it is 17 turn worker compared to 15, but you have a half complete warrior and you are into slavery as well.

    But there are other situations where growing first might be better. One example is being expansive, starting with mining but not having 4 hammers from start.

    In this case straight worker is 15 turns, but growing and slaving you get worker in 14 turns including switch to slavery!
     
  11. vicawoo

    vicawoo Chieftain

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    How do you get bronze working in 12 turns?
     
  12. AveiMil

    AveiMil Prince

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    The World Build Editor :lol:
     
  13. McThomas

    McThomas Creative Warrior

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    playing on settler? lol :lol:
     
  14. obsolete

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    Well that was one LUCKY goodie-hut :p
     
  15. Indiansmoke

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    Depends on difficulty I suppose your traits and your land, but you can get it in 12 turns under certain conditions, being financial, having oasis is one of them, planting on 2 commerce or 3 commerce another....or playing on noble where most multiplayer is played anyway.
     
  16. vicawoo

    vicawoo Chieftain

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    I'll remember this next time I'm a financial expansive civ that starts with mining.
     
  17. michmbk

    michmbk Emperor

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    What, you guys don't get BW on turn 1? Bunch of amateurs here, I guess :lol:

     
  18. obsolete

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    I am looking forward to your strategy article on this tactic for sure. I've noticed my game isn't optimal as of late. I still wait a few turns before I end up popping bronzeworking. :goodjob:
     
  19. Indiansmoke

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    Yea..remember that next time you play Maya or unrestricted leaders ;)
     
  20. Cusanus

    Cusanus Der Fürst

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    And just look at the screenshot closely: you see what the capital is building? This really proves just how superior going worker first actually is. :D
     

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